IPSC World Shoot

Eugene is right about physical shape. The thailand and Brazil roduction guys shoot well, and the Thailand guys are in good shape, flying around like monkeys!!
 
Slavex said:
Take a look at hit factors for matches and compare open standard and production. You may be surprised at just how important speed is to everyone. Taking too much time to shoot A's costs in all divisions. It might just be a local thing you're experiencing
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I noticed exactly the same thing after reading that great FB post you made with that Russian site that compares anyone to anyone. I was suprised to see so many C's the top guys....and "average" where posting. I spent several hours checking that out and I was surprised! Seems like moving ass is more important...Hmm
 
actually it's a great way to compare, even with minor and major scoring. You'll be very surprised at the results.

Onagoth said:
Dont think this works for comparing standard and open to production....youd be comparing major and minor power factors, which changes total points thereby changing the HF
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Regarding physical shape, look at who won Classic, Robbie is running on replacement knees, he's not in top physical shape, but he still kicks ass.
 
Slavex said:
Regarding physical shape, look at who won Classic, Robbie is running on replacement knees, he's not in top physical shape, but he still kicks ass.
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Sure, but replacement knees mean no knee pain and good knee flexibility... and Rob also knows how to move his butt while shooting.
 
Slavex said:
actually it's a great way to compare, even with minor and major scoring. You'll be very surprised at the results.
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I don't think I'd be surprised at all, because nothing meaningful can be concluded from such a comparison...when comparing HFs, you're essentially looking at speed AND accuracy....except accuracy is rewarded differently when shooting major vs minor.

Saying that a production HF is comparable to an open HF is like saying apples are the same as oranges. It's exactly why almost no one shoots minor in Standard and Open.
 
smiley1 said:
I noticed exactly the same thing after reading that great FB post you made with that Russian site that compares anyone to anyone. I was suprised to see so many C's the top guys....and "average" where posting. I spent several hours checking that out and I was surprised! Seems like moving ass is more important...Hmm
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Exactly what I did. Great site. :D
 
well I'm bored of the stupid stuff in this thread :p moving fast/purposefully is huge for points even in canada, hell it's what I focused on this year in alot of my practice (nothing like match video to show how slow you really move) and I have noticed a marked increase in my scores, and I shot about 2/3 the usual amount in practice this year.

Anyone watched some POV video? those swingers are totally insane... I want some at local matches
 
I'll put it a bit simpler then, when you look at top PD shooters vs top Open shooters you'll see similar hit factors, in fact you'll often see the PD guys with higher hit factors, so yes, it is meaningful. When I shoot I look at my direct competition and Open shooters for where my score should be, sometimes, depending on who's shooting, Standard as well. Most of the top PD guys in the US do so as well.
Onagoth said:
I don't think I'd be surprised at all, because nothing meaningful can be concluded from such a comparison...when comparing HFs, you're essentially looking at speed AND accuracy....except accuracy is rewarded differently when shooting major vs minor.

Saying that a production HF is comparable to an open HF is like saying apples are the same as oranges. It's exactly why almost no one shoots minor in Standard and Open.
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Here are the fastest match times by each division:

Open: 330.15 seconds
Standard: 380.12 seconds
Production: 385.56 seconds
Classic: 432.79 seconds

Of course there are varying conditions blah blah blah but it gives you a good idea of the spread.
 
Here are the fastest match times by each division:

Open: 330.15 seconds
Standard: 380.12 seconds
Production: 385.56 seconds
Classic: 432.79 seconds

Of course there are varying conditions blah blah blah but it gives you a good idea of the spread.
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The distance to the targets and if no shoots cover parts of the target will determine the spread between Open and iron sight guns. The targets at the Florida world shoot were often close and wide open. Try the comparison at the Euro-champs in Portugal 2013 results will be different. If the targets are close enough a production pistol can be faster than an open gun.

Overall IPSC is POINTS PER SECOND,( HF) so shoot fast or set up fast or shoot As or run fast or do all and win. It is quite possible to win a long course with a miss if you run and shoot fast enough.
 
Ipsik said:
The distance to the targets and if no shoots cover parts of the target will determine the spread between Open and iron sight guns. The targets at the Florida world shoot were often close and wide open. Try the comparison at the Euro-champs in Portugal 2013 results will be different. If the targets are close enough a production pistol can be faster than an open gun.

Overall IPSC is POINTS PER SECOND,( HF) so shoot fast or set up fast or shoot As or run fast or do all and win. It is quite possible to win a long course with a miss if you run and shoot fast enough.
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You must be wrong because open guns shoot themselves ;) At least that is what everyone keeps telling me :)

I agree that it is very COF dependent with the more difficult shots / distance favoring the open gun. When stuff is up close and wide open, irons sights can and is often just as fast. I have a faster draw and first shot on easy target with a production gun. They are just plain lighter to move.
 
One thing I always have to get used to when traveling is much heavier my gun is on the draw, there is a significant difference between 11 rounds and 16 rounds in a gun. Even better is when practicing at those matches and I can stuff 20 in the gun. I love that.
 
Here are some interesting combined results.

Combined Production and Standard (kick in the nuts!):
1 Grauffel, Eric 100.00 2,263.7588 PRODUCTION
2 Jonasson, Nils 98.69 2,234.1981 STANDARD
3 Vogel, Bob 97.35 2,203.8351 STANDARD
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Combined Production and Classic:
1 Grauffel, Eric 100.00 2,378.0361 PRODUCTION
2 Racaza, Simon 96.71 2,299.7856 PRODUCTION
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17 Leatham, Robert 85.30 2,028.5479 CLASSIC
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Combined Open and Production (that's how Production should compare to Open!):
1 Michel, Max 100.00 2,204.2923 OPEN
2 Coley, Shane 99.92 2,202.5545 OPEN
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28 Grauffel, Eric 88.84 1,958.1877 PRODUCTION
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Combined Production and Revolver:
1 Grauffel, Eric 100.00 2,382.4550 PRODUCTION
2 Racaza, Simon 96.68 2,303.3272 PRODUCTION
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164 Lopez, Ricardo 64.90 1,546.1096 REVOLVER
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Combined Classic and Revolver:
1 Leatham, Robert 100.00 2,269.6068 CLASSIC
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35 Lopez, Ricardo 76.38 1,733.5934 REVOLVER
36 Lentz, Josh 75.49 1,713.2419 REVOLVER
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