Irons losing zero

ryan32

ryan32

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hi,

I have a winchester 94 with the stock irons. when i fire the gun every once and a while the recoil knocks the sliding ramp on the sight out some so the gun shoots low , same thing happens if i brush the sights on somthing. Is there a way that i can more securley attach the ramp to the knotch and the barrel. I want to make it so it wont slide around without alot of force being applied.

thanks


Ryan
 
~ Incorrect ramp.
~ Incorrect sight.
~ Installed incorrectly.
~ Not enough tension on rear sight leaf.
~ Parts manufactured wrong.
~ Rear sight blade loose, broken screw etc..
 
I'd consider a peep sight, for more secure and accurate aiming or replace rear sight, as a new sight will have enough "spring" to retain the notched elevator.
 
Not enough tension in the arm of the sight (rear) to hold the elevating tab tight.
With a brass punch, pound the sight out of its groove in the barrel. Put the block of the sight that slides in the barrel, into a vise, in a top to bottom configuration. Bend the arm, rear of the sight, toward where the barrel would be, until there is more tension in the arm.
If you overdo it, you may break the sight arm and then will need a new one, which will likely have enough tension in it.
 
Locktite for the elevator knotches?!

HUH?!

Just follow 4831's advise. It will increase the preload pressure of the rear site and likely keep the elevation knotch in place & secure.
 
I've had a lot of iron sights, but never had the ramp slide out with recoil. The possible problems have all been cited above. The rear leaf should be very stiff .. not easy to lift even with no ramp. The ramp itself should have good notches and should be inserted with the high end inside the ramp slot, not the other way around.
 
I've had a lot of iron sights, but never had the ramp slide out with recoil. The possible problems have all been cited above. The rear leaf should be very stiff .. not easy to lift even with no ramp. The ramp itself should have good notches and should be inserted with the high end inside the ramp slot, not the other way around.

Think ya hit it on the head 38-55....almost sounds like the elevator is stuck into the back of the rear sight pointing forwards instead of into the center of the site slot and pushed backwards. If not that, then like someone else posted...... someone or something pried upwards on the rear sight arms and bent them away from the barrel making it too high and loose.
 
Okay , so i got my new sights for it , and got in the rear sight fine. However since the new sights are fibre optic and come with the fibre optic red front sight , i want to put it on too. Problem is that i can't drift the front sight out. Im not being too gentle with it , or at least i am swacking it good, so im wondering if the front sight is directional as to how it has to come out like the rear sight. Also if it is just stuck how can i release it
 
Win 38-55 said:
I've had a lot of iron sights, but never had the ramp slide out with recoil. The possible problems have all been cited above. The rear leaf should be very stiff .. not easy to lift even with no ramp. The ramp itself should have good notches and should be inserted with the high end inside the ramp slot, not the other way around.
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And nope , i checked to make sure but it was definitively just that the rear sight arm doesn't have enough tension to hold the ramp.
 
When standing at the rear of the rifle(butt), the sight/s must be drifted out left to right, as they should have gone in Right to left....IMHO
 
It's 20-20 hindsight now but you should just have did what H4198 suggested. He hit the nail squarely on the head.

When you bend the spring of the rear sight down just put a bit of wood down by the dovetail key and push against it while bending the springy part back as he suggested. That'll ensure it flexes and bends other than right at the dovetail key and possibly sees a sharp edge and bends too much at that point.

But in the end it's purely and simply the idea that the spring blade of the rear sight isn't tensioned adequitely. The rest is just window dressing.

This assumes, of course, that you're OK with the rear sight's blade shape. Otherwise you may as well swap it for a ghost ring or other peep style.
 
Only reasons why i didn't go with the reciver sight is

1) i like the trim handiling of the irons, not to mention the visual lines of the gun

2) I have actually lost a deer to the fact that the receiver sight i owned had one of the adjustment screws sear off and the sight wouldn't hold elevation.
 
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