irons or scoped
- Thread starter mjcurry
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wow, some guys only have ONE hunting rifle? Ouch 
MY gopher guns are all scoped, milsurps all irons, levers all have peeps, and a few scoped.
My philosophy is this: If a rifle/cartridge is well suited to 100+ yd shooting, then it's scoped. Otherwise not. Exceptions made for milsurps shooting cartridges which are certainly capable of +200 yd shots (7.62x54r & the like), and the 22lr. Although, I am considering a 22lr with irons...
MY gopher guns are all scoped, milsurps all irons, levers all have peeps, and a few scoped.
My philosophy is this: If a rifle/cartridge is well suited to 100+ yd shooting, then it's scoped. Otherwise not. Exceptions made for milsurps shooting cartridges which are certainly capable of +200 yd shots (7.62x54r & the like), and the 22lr. Although, I am considering a 22lr with irons...
the M14 crowd... most good scope mounts are see-thru. Helpful? not unless your scope is off/broken and you don't have time/tools to disassemble the whole mount.
so I have scopes -on long rangers - red dot on the 10/22 and iron sights on milsurp and shotguns.
I don't have a lever
for some reason I alwasy felt I can do without...
so I have scopes -on long rangers - red dot on the 10/22 and iron sights on milsurp and shotguns.
I don't have a lever
for some reason I alwasy felt I can do without...
Interesitng thing about irons vs scopes- I have been told many times that at closer range, the irons are 'faster' but I disagree.
Case in point, to day I was at the range and we were shooting at biatholon style falling plate targets.
Using the aperature sights on the target .22's we all spent quite abit of time aiming to hit the plates, even from prone.
After we were done, I loaded up the 10/22 with a scope and bangCLANKbangCLANKbangCLANK....
It was a simple matter to just place the crosswire on the plate, and pull the trigger, and it was fast, very fast.
The scope puts the target and your aiming device (the reticle) on the same optical plane, so it is much faster.
Case in point, to day I was at the range and we were shooting at biatholon style falling plate targets.
Using the aperature sights on the target .22's we all spent quite abit of time aiming to hit the plates, even from prone.
After we were done, I loaded up the 10/22 with a scope and bangCLANKbangCLANKbangCLANK....
It was a simple matter to just place the crosswire on the plate, and pull the trigger, and it was fast, very fast.
The scope puts the target and your aiming device (the reticle) on the same optical plane, so it is much faster.
fastest would be the red dot.
the combersome scope is a hinderance when shots are made under 30m.
with a scope the point-and-shoot doesn't work all that well.
if you have the rifle in the up-and-ready position, you might be faster, though, Like GH said.
the combersome scope is a hinderance when shots are made under 30m.
with a scope the point-and-shoot doesn't work all that well.
if you have the rifle in the up-and-ready position, you might be faster, though, Like GH said.
Gatehouse and Cat are bang on with the speed factor.
Sight aquisition time is serious business and very few hunters understand it.
When you use irons or peep sights there are a total of six brain functions that need to take place before making a successful shot.
1) See the target
2) Shoulder firearm
3) Align front sight on target
4) Align rear sight on target
5) Center both sights with the point of aim and re-focus
6) Pull the trigger
With a Scope or Reddot there are only four brain functions neccessary to make the shot.
1) See the target
2) Shoulder firearm
3) Align the crosshairs or dot with the target
4) Pull the trigger
There have been many tests done on the amount of time it take your brain to perform these functions... the focusing of the sight on the target is the most time consuming brain function.
When using a scope you eliminate two of the most time consuming functions and this allows for a much faster sight aquisition time compared to irons or peeps.
Lower powered scopes are faster due to the quicker focus time.. and reddots are faster still... holosights are the fastest of all the sighting devices made today.
You wonder why the 20-20 shooters and the military use holosights... now you know.
I should add that there are up to 36 brain functions neccessary to use a scope with see-through mounts.
1) See target
2) Look through Cheap ass scope that is mounted too high and fail to focus
3) Grind your head down onto the stock and look under the scope for the iron sights fail to see the rear sight because it is too dark compared to the front sight and you cannot focus.
4) Go back to cheap ass scope that is mounted too high and fail too focus again because the heat from your overly large forehead has fogged up your cheap ass scope completely!
5) Slam your cheekbone down onto the stock again jarring the cigarette out of your mouth... you again fail to focus.
6) Lift your head up off of the stock and look over top of the cheap ass scope to try and see if your target is still in the same place.
7) Drop your rifle on the ground and beat your chest to try and put the fire from your cigarette that is consuming your chesthair and shirt.
8-36) Repeat the above until the target gets tired of watching and runs into the bush.
I'm serious.
Sight aquisition time is serious business and very few hunters understand it.
When you use irons or peep sights there are a total of six brain functions that need to take place before making a successful shot.
1) See the target
2) Shoulder firearm
3) Align front sight on target
4) Align rear sight on target
5) Center both sights with the point of aim and re-focus
6) Pull the trigger
With a Scope or Reddot there are only four brain functions neccessary to make the shot.
1) See the target
2) Shoulder firearm
3) Align the crosshairs or dot with the target
4) Pull the trigger
There have been many tests done on the amount of time it take your brain to perform these functions... the focusing of the sight on the target is the most time consuming brain function.
When using a scope you eliminate two of the most time consuming functions and this allows for a much faster sight aquisition time compared to irons or peeps.
Lower powered scopes are faster due to the quicker focus time.. and reddots are faster still... holosights are the fastest of all the sighting devices made today.
You wonder why the 20-20 shooters and the military use holosights... now you know.
I should add that there are up to 36 brain functions neccessary to use a scope with see-through mounts.
1) See target
2) Look through Cheap ass scope that is mounted too high and fail to focus
3) Grind your head down onto the stock and look under the scope for the iron sights fail to see the rear sight because it is too dark compared to the front sight and you cannot focus.
4) Go back to cheap ass scope that is mounted too high and fail too focus again because the heat from your overly large forehead has fogged up your cheap ass scope completely!
5) Slam your cheekbone down onto the stock again jarring the cigarette out of your mouth... you again fail to focus.
6) Lift your head up off of the stock and look over top of the cheap ass scope to try and see if your target is still in the same place.
7) Drop your rifle on the ground and beat your chest to try and put the fire from your cigarette that is consuming your chesthair and shirt.
8-36) Repeat the above until the target gets tired of watching and runs into the bush.
I'm serious.
BIGREDD said:I should add that there are up to 36 brain functions neccessary to use a scope with see-through mounts.
1) See target
2) Look through Cheap ass scope that is mounted too high and fail to focus
3) Grind your head down onto the stock and look under the scope for the iron sights fail to see the rear sight because it is too dark compared to the front sight and you cannot focus.
4) Go back to cheap ass scope that is mounted too high and fail too focus again because the heat from your overly large forehead has fogged up your cheap ass scope completely!
5) Slam your cheekbone down onto the stock again jarring the cigarette out of your mouth... you again fail to focus.
6) Lift your head up off of the stock and look over top of the cheap ass scope to try and see if your target is still in the same place.
7) Drop your rifle on the ground and beat your chest to try and put the fire from your cigarette that is consuming your chesthair and shirt.
8-36) Repeat the above until the target gets tired of watching and runs into the bush.
I'm serious.
You, Sir, art a guy that did not misplace his artistic value.
I could see the whole thing happening while reading it.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
I have a Lyman Tip off mount on one rifle. I wouldn't say the combination is a long range contender by any means, but it does work for stuff under 200 yards.
Very strong mount by the way, and heavy.
I'm a peep sight user by preferance, but I can see the writing on the wall, and it getting harder to read... I have a scope in my future, and I'm not happy about that at all.
Open sights, as on handguns, are currently getting a bit blurry. Even with the bifocals. Might have to go red dot.
Very strong mount by the way, and heavy.
I'm a peep sight user by preferance, but I can see the writing on the wall, and it getting harder to read... I have a scope in my future, and I'm not happy about that at all.
Open sights, as on handguns, are currently getting a bit blurry. Even with the bifocals. Might have to go red dot.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
I have a .50 lens that goes into the standard Anschutz globe front for target shooting.
I was eitheer my father's or my older brother's.
I have resisted using it , "because I prefer the tiger sight", I don't have time to set up the rifle ", "I don't need it", and my all time favorite
"THOSE ARE FOR OLD GUYS"!!
I just realized somethiing last night.
I can't go hard at work all day, no lunch, the go hard all evening working at the range! eyesight is failing about as fast as my joints, so i guess I'm now officially
"middle aged" - maybe it's time to haul the thing out and try it on the irons rifles!
I do know thta some of the older shooters ( 60 and over) use them and swear by them.
Cat
I was eitheer my father's or my older brother's.
I have resisted using it , "because I prefer the tiger sight", I don't have time to set up the rifle ", "I don't need it", and my all time favorite
"THOSE ARE FOR OLD GUYS"!!
I just realized somethiing last night.
I can't go hard at work all day, no lunch, the go hard all evening working at the range! eyesight is failing about as fast as my joints, so i guess I'm now officially
"middle aged" - maybe it's time to haul the thing out and try it on the irons rifles!
I do know thta some of the older shooters ( 60 and over) use them and swear by them.
Cat
