Is a single action more accurate then double action???

I read that in an article of a magazine that reports on 1911 models (it may have been called "1911"). The guy who wrote the article was debating the pluses and minuses of 9mm vs .45 cal and was describing how regs are to carry condition 3, which he didn't think was a particularly good idea. The guy was apparently a pistol trainer for the us military with a rank of something-sgt. I can't give the source for sure, but a little research might come up with something.

If you say it says that in the army training manual, then I won't argue with it.
 
Contondant said:
I read that in an article of a magazine that reports on 1911 models (it may have been called "1911"). The guy who wrote the article was debating the pluses and minuses of 9mm vs .45 cal and was describing how regs are to carry condition 3, which he didn't think was a particularly good idea. The guy was apparently a pistol trainer for the us military with a rank of something-sgt. I can't give the source for sure, but a little research might come up with something.

If you say it says that in the army training manual, then I won't argue with it.
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i've seen a few of those so-called books ( one by a captain comes to mind immedately) and the documentation in them is UNSOUND- to say the least- this guy had the charging procedure done by with the pistol in the right hand and the FORGOT to apply the safety when transitioning it to left- any lefty knows that you can do everything but apply the safety with the left index finger- well, i did a little research on they guy and turns out he was a captain in the ng, and did a couple of years in the army- moreover, he was all of 22 when he wrote the book- hardly out of rotc - you know the kind- it has a big color pic of a 1911 on the cover and used to sell for about 3 bucks from pedersen-pure pulp fiction
 
t-star said:
i'd like to see that source, if you have it- your sidearm is ALWAYS condition 1 unless you're at the rear- and it makes sense b/c if your primary goes mechanical for whatever reason, you TRANSITION to the sidearm automatically until you can get out of the situation and get the primary fixed- now that applied to the 1911, and it's right in the manual
"the m1911a1 shall be carried AT ALL TIMESwith a round in the chamber and the HAMMER in the FULLY COCKED position, with the SAFETY applied- it then goes on about how to draw from the m7 holster, etc
condition 3 makes no sense on the battlefield
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That is why I love DA/SA Sigs. Round in the chamber, safety on or off, decocked so your first pull is DA and the rest of SA. NICE! No need to carry a hammerback chamber loaded pistol. I know either can be safe if the user trains, and uses quality goods, but the DA/SA action was pretty much invented to address some peoples (mine included) discomfort with the idea of carrying cocked and locked with a single action hair trigger.

**Not that it matters because I'm only an internet warrior, not a real one! :D
 
drvrage said:
That is why I love DA/SA Sigs. Round in the chamber, safety on or off, decocked so your first pull is DA and the rest of SA. NICE! No need to carry a hammerback chamber loaded pistol. I know either can be safe if the user trains, and uses quality goods, but the DA/SA action was pretty much invented to address some peoples (mine included) discomfort with the idea of carrying cocked and locked with a single action hair trigger.

**Not that it matters because I'm only an internet warrior, not a real one! :D
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tm9-1005-211-34- pages 16 and 18- trigger pull, pistols , new and repaired : 5 pounds min, 6.5 pounds max- hardly a hair trigger- some of the competition have it stoned down to 2.5 to 3, but as issued, no- the da auto was basically "invented" for the police who needed to go that route when their revolvers were shown to be inadequate in terms of firepower -they were used to double action
 
As far as my own accuracy, my groups shrink by about 50% using a 686 in SA. I really need to work on my pull. Funny cuz my Glock with the mushy trigger prints real nice groups.
 
Some DA's are just better than others,my 4566 has a DA trigger pull that will rival most revolvers(colt,smith)I'm sure some will argue but I just traded a Rem Rand for a Smith 1917 DA 45 ,and haven't got it yet but will bet it has a nice trigger pull!

Some pistols just shoot better than others(so when you get That one better hang on to it) cause there are thousands of the same make that dont!

Bob
 
Back in the day of Police Pistol Centrefire competitions in the UK, 60 rounds total, 24 at 50m, 24 at 25m, and 12 at 7m (later 10m), many of the top shooters used 6 inch heavy barrel 'DA only' revolvers. Super smooth DA pulls. The advantage is that with a DA you don't know exactly when the shot will go, unlike a SA shot, so concentration on sight picture was most important.

The target was a civvy version of the army Figure 11 (advancing soldier) which was designed by a friend of mine and affectionately known as the advancing tourist. The 10 ring was, if I remember correctly, something like 6x4 inches. Same as a UIT silhouette anyway. Top shooters dropped only a few points at 50m.

Couldn't have done better with a SA.

So the answer to the original question is.......NO.

TJ
 
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