Is anschutz and CIL the same
- Thread starter Ironbull
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Anschutz made the guns for cil, the common 64 based 22lr rifles like 180,190… You can also find savage made cil centerfire rifles 950? and I’m sure others.
“In the early 1960s, a marketing agreement was reached among Anschütz, Savage Arms in the U.S. and our own Canadian Industries Limited (CIL), which was a large manufacturer of rifle and shotgun ammunition at the time. Under the agreement, which lasted from 1963 to about 1981, Savage sold several Anschütz models in the U.S., while Anschütz marketed some Savage models in Europe. Additionally, several guns made by both Anschütz and Savage were given CIL model numbers and marketed in Canada.”
“In the early 1960s, a marketing agreement was reached among Anschütz, Savage Arms in the U.S. and our own Canadian Industries Limited (CIL), which was a large manufacturer of rifle and shotgun ammunition at the time. Under the agreement, which lasted from 1963 to about 1981, Savage sold several Anschütz models in the U.S., while Anschütz marketed some Savage models in Europe. Additionally, several guns made by both Anschütz and Savage were given CIL model numbers and marketed in Canada.”
Bill Johnson
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No, C.I.L aka Canadian Industries Limited, sponsored an entry level shooting competition, usually .22cal.for young shooters.
I own an Anchutz made C.I.L as well as a Brazilian made CBC marketed as a C.I.L for these competitions.
I believe there was also a shotgun class as well.
I own an Anchutz made C.I.L as well as a Brazilian made CBC marketed as a C.I.L for these competitions.
I believe there was also a shotgun class as well.
Bill Johnson
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m1008 is correct, although I believe C.I.L sponsored these events until they sold out and no longer existed as C. I.L.
Branding of a product.
Sponsorship as mentioned, but likely the Anschutz used their name under license to sell those guns.
Entry lever firearm and some good old fashioned nostalgia.
Nostalgia, just like a Cooey ....
One can always check out what is being said about those old guns over at Rimfire Central too for more additional information.
Falconflyer
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My father purchased one in the 60’s and we completely wore that gun out shooting gophers, it was very accurate!
Anschutz was just one manufacturer that supplied C.I.L. with rebranded firearms , Franchi, CBC, Parker Hale, Voere, Zaballa, and Savage were among others.
They were basically the same rifles and shotguns as the O.E.M, just rebranded .
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...scussion-canadian-industries-limited.1735453/
Cat
While CIL made explosives, among other things, the company didn't make firearms. They did, however, sell various firearms that were sold with the CIL name on them. Some models were Anschutz rifles, others were not.
As noted by others, during the 1960s - 1970s, some models of CIL-imported Anschutz rifles were for a specific marksmanship program. These included the CIL Anschutz 180 and CIL Anschutz 190. The latter was similar to the Anschutz 1403, while the 180 was the rarely-seen-in-North America Anschutz 1402A. The CIL Anschutz 310 was the Anschutz 1416. There were a number of Flobert action Anschutz rifles with CIL counterparts.
In the US, Savage also imported Anschutz models, including some 54 action rifles. None of these should be mistaken for Anschutz-Savage rifles, which were Savage models imported by Anschutz in a reciprocal deal with Savage. Sometimes Savage Anschutz rifles, which are genuine Anschutz products, make it into Canada.
As noted by others, during the 1960s - 1970s, some models of CIL-imported Anschutz rifles were for a specific marksmanship program. These included the CIL Anschutz 180 and CIL Anschutz 190. The latter was similar to the Anschutz 1403, while the 180 was the rarely-seen-in-North America Anschutz 1402A. The CIL Anschutz 310 was the Anschutz 1416. There were a number of Flobert action Anschutz rifles with CIL counterparts.
In the US, Savage also imported Anschutz models, including some 54 action rifles. None of these should be mistaken for Anschutz-Savage rifles, which were Savage models imported by Anschutz in a reciprocal deal with Savage. Sometimes Savage Anschutz rifles, which are genuine Anschutz products, make it into Canada.
Not exactly. The Dominion Marksman program was not a competition in itself but a proficiency based program in conjunction with the Shooting Federation of Canada. One did not need to shoot a C.I.L. rifle to participate in it however.
The pins they gave out for smallbore were based on the Shooting Federation of Canada class system - Marksman, Sharpshooter, Expert and Master.
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So, I shoot Sporting Rifle in which I hear the CIL 190 was designed for. A lot of folks still shoot them. The old fellow that runs the matches in Aurora advised that CIL imported the actions only, then barrelled and stocked the rifles with their own manufactured components. So apparently the 190 has a Canadian barrel and stock, and was then finished. They’re very accurate. They differed apparently from the Anschutz line in that they had a longer and lighter weight barrel to provide sight radius, but still meet weight for Sporting Rifle matches.
https://redleafrimfire.ca/2023/02/06/sporting-rifle-canadas-home-grown-match-rifle-sport/
https://redleafrimfire.ca/2023/02/06/sporting-rifle-canadas-home-grown-match-rifle-sport/
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Rod B
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I think the old fellow is wrong. CIL did not manufacture stocks or barrels.
My 310 was made in 1965 (according to the stamp on it) and it still shoots like a dream. For some reason it particularly loves the American Eagle 38 gr HV copper hollow points....
Anschutz made the action/receiver/trigger and the barrel along with all the other Anschutz firearms at the Anschutz factory in Ulm, Germany. No CIL Anschutz rifle was without an Anschutz model counterpart. Anschutz made the stocks, too.
As noted previously, CIL was not in the gun making business.
Some CILs were made by Anschutz, some weren't. If you have a CIL made by Anschutz, then it's a re-branded Anschutz built on a 64 action.
Now, that doesn't automatically make it good. lol. I've seen plenty of lousy old Anschutz rifles around ... and owned a few.
They're WAY cheaper than regular Anschutz, and can be just as good. A lot of times you can get a CIL for a few hundred buck, and the sights on it are worth more than that.
