is bigger better?

There are some good points and some pure B.S.Why do some people insist on trying to convince others that a magnum cartridge can't be fired accurately?
 
Ol Chuck getting a soft shoulder ? :redface:
Some good points but yes, the argument that a guy can't hit a barn if he's in it with a 300 Mag then suddenly becomes a sharpshooter when handed a 30-06 is getting Old:rolleyes:
 
I thought most of that article made some sense in that you don't need a .300 ultra mag to cleanly take a blacktail. However it's the question at the end which seems to be the whole reason for the article.Why would anybody hunt deer with a magnum? He concludes that it is ignorance that drives someone to hunt blacktail deer with a .30 mag.I think he forgot about the large amount of people that use one or two primary guns and don't have a .243 for blacktails, a 7-08 for mulies,a 7mag for shiras moose and on and on.Or those that just plain want to.
 
It's all about marketing.

1st there were the standard caliber, which worked great, but you can only sell so many 30/06 and 270s, so you sell them belted mag, and then bigger belted mags, and then non-belted mags, and then short non-belted mags, and then super short non-belted mags, and so on, and so on, and so on................

With the exception of the .222/.223 class of cartridges, we had all the calibers we needed when the .270 was brought out. Everything after that was superficial.



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I recently read a magazine article about some guys hunting hogs in California.
A couple were over the 220lb mark but others were just over 100lbs.
And then the author spoke about the fact he was using a .300 Ultra Mag!:eek:
I was more than a little astounded.
We use .243s, 25-06s, 270s, 7mm-08s, .30-30, .308 and & .30-06 on animals the exactly the same size.
Now what the bloody hell was he doing out there with an Ultra?!:confused:
I can just imagine the poor little 100lb porker who copped that bullet.
A humane kill is one thing as is flat trajectory but the range wasn't enormous and a .243 with a 105gn bullet would've been quite suitable.
I've posed this question before and SuperCub seems right.
God forbid they should run out of things to try and sell us!:rolleyes:
And what's more, Chucky left out a number suitable cartridges in his list.
What about 260 Rem, 6.5x55, 7x57, 30-30, 308, 7.62x54R, 303 British and 8x57, the final 4 with 150gn bullets which significantly reduce recoil and flatten trajectory.
Well, now that's done I'm sure my comments have been in vain.:redface:
Sure, magnums are suitable and powerful but, my goodness, I'm tired of them being preached as the ultimate!:rolleyes:
 
Basically a load of crap. Hunt with what you like. A 243 for dear? No doubt it will kill them with a lung hit but last years Muley was over 200 lbs on the hook at the butchers. If you like small guns use them but why ##### about people useing magnums? By the way I've killed lots of game with 270,280 and 30-06 I know they work.
 
I have shot an killed deer with a .308, 6.5x55, 30-06, 7mm08, 300 mag, 7mm mag, but not a .243 although im sure it does a fine job

The end result? they all tasted good on the BBQ
 
One part of that article that doesn't ring too true to me is Chuck justifying the 7mm and 300 cannons as good choices for large and dangerous game. I'd agree with that at longer ranges somewhat. But for dangerous game at close range you'd probably get better penetration with a 30-06 than a 300 Ultra mag. And, for this chore you'd be better off with more bore and less speed...
 
stubblejumper said:
Why do some people insist on trying to convince others that a magnum cartridge can't be fired accurately?
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because human nature allows dull-wits to arbitrarily decide that anyone with a lesser gun then themselves is an un-ethical hunter and anyone with more gun has small-mans syndrome
 
Just shoot whatever your comfortable with. Buy a gun, shoot it lots, build confidence in it and it will serve you fine, magnum or no. But don't convince yourself that you 'need' it.

The caliber is about 10% of the equation. The rifle is maybe 30% and practise/skill is the other 60%.

Stop focusing on the 10%, and start focusing on the other 90%
 
open-sights said:
What is the difference what size the hole through the boiler room is? as long as the boiler room becomes non-functional real quick
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Agreed. As long as the 3000 ft/s plus bullet in 30 cal makes it to the boiler room of the large dangerous beasty before comming apart on a shoulder bone or such. Most bullets penetrate their best at < 2700 ft/s...
 
This ties in very nicely with our obsession of bigger = better.

Do we really need 400hp cars/trucks to get us around town or cross country?

There was a time when the 30-30 was the new fangled cartridge that shot flat like a laser and use powder that didn't stink.

The 250Savage was like lightning with its 3000fps velocity. 32-20's, 44/40, and 45LC still accounted for putting meat on alot of tables. As did 303Brits and Mausers.

Post WWII, more money, less time, more advertising/consumption. Bells and whistles sell on everything we see. Guns get Wby and other 'magnum's. We also get muscle cars and big block engines.

The bigger better starts till we get to the 30-378 and similar monsters.

Now effeciency (both in cars and gun) come into vogue. Premium, controlled expansion, super duper killem deader bullets come out.

The trend is now going the other way to smaller and smaller cases. At least that is the direction you have to go because you can't go any bigger.

Wonder what they will do when they simply run out of ways to size a case to fit a rifle action? Aren't we almost there now?

Jerry
 
mysticplayer said:
This ties in very nicely with our obsession of bigger = better.

Do we really need 400hp cars/trucks to get us around town or cross country?

There was a time when the 30-30 was the new fangled cartridge that shot flat like a laser and use powder that didn't stink.
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There was a time when we washed clothes in Urine and lye made from wood ash too, also remember the good old days when we shot flintlocks and wheellocks, Progress and change are not always dirty words, It's simpler than pointing your finger at others when what your really trying to do is defend the caliber of your choice, shoot what you like and leave it at that, no-one is calling you a sissy if you like a .270 and no-one thinks your a fricken He-man for shooting a .338 WM.
 
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