Is excessive Logging , hurting the bear pop in your area

m1008 said:
Beech bark disease combination of bug and fungus, I’m not a trained forester just someone who cuts a lot of trees. I ran into it a lot in central Ontario around Bancroft and Barry’s bay, will look like white fuzz and affects seedlings to mature trees. (This was 5ish years ago). Affected trees don’t last long.

Here’s a decent article with pictures and range

https://ohioline.osu.edu/factsheet/plpath-tree-09

The problem with the affected trees is that they will fail/fall down in unpredictable spots. Break at the stump, mid stem or you’ll see the crown fall apart like a dead/dying birch. If your an arborist you don’t want to be climbing them. They also tend to grow in groves so an affected area effectively gets nuked, same as the ash trees in certain areas like along the Trent waterway. The wood gets punky fast and isn’t good for even firewood.

To bad as they’re important trees for wildlife food
Landowners can be proactive by cutting them down like ash trees. As far as I know no available treatments like for EAB
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Ahhh yeah thats the one alright.

That bug is hitting us hard too. For the reasons you said, we marked out all our blocks of beech and allowed cutting to get rid of em while they're still alive and useful. End up caught in a cycle where the next generation lives only long enough to seed, dies and falls down. Over and over. Shame to see the nice big mature trees with bug feces on the trunks but at least someone can have em.

And yeah you got it...tough for a lot of things that eat beech nuts.

Apparently that bug got in through Halifax harbour and just ran roughshod westward, from what our forestry engineer said.
 
Joel said:
Ahhh yeah thats the one alright.

That bug is hitting us hard too. For the reasons you said, we marked out all our blocks of beech and allowed cutting to get rid of em while they're still alive and useful. End up caught in a cycle where the next generation lives only long enough to seed, dies and falls down. Over and over. Shame to see the nice big mature trees with bug feces on the trunks but at least someone can have em.

And yeah you got it...tough for a lot of things that eat beech nuts.

Apparently that bug got in through Halifax harbour and just ran roughshod westward, from what our forestry engineer said.
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Beech has been relegated to all but an understory species in NB. I have a nice clean mature beech on my property and excited to see it, they are so rare. I've seen more clean beech in parts of the province further north, and the odd small stand of it, but not many.
 
coleman1495 said:
Well there we have it, deforestation is actually good for animals according to CGN. Causing generations of damage to the ecosystem-only a Liberal would think thats bad.
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In real world practices there is a case to be made that some areas are over harvested. Also there is a question about sustainable techniques in today's forest industry. Again it's a very regional decision as to suitable practices for forestry. But there is a need to see the forest as a renewable resource, with a harvest that provides for people and animals. I live in an area of nb that farms the land and the woods. Bears love it here.
 
Evanguy said:
Lol so you have switched from arguing an incorrect opinion to insulting people who question the incorrect opinion, even though they post loads more info on the subject you did. Where is your info?

Lol. Either provide even a shred of evidence or just quit while youre ahead.


You have yet to post anything other then your own thoughts, and they are only backed up by your own opinion
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From what I've seen so far from every thread hes been involved in, thats not really an option anymore.... I imagine hes gonna be pink pretty soon.
 
He's on my ignore list, and I seldom do that.
Ignorance at it's best. Confrontational, and
argumentative. Likes to throw meaningless
slurs at sensible posters. EE.
 
I’m not anti logging by any stretch of the imagination, I work as a consultant in the forestry (and oil and gas) industry and have for a decade (not much, but I’m young compared to most here).

Bears do like disturbance, water buffers do protect a lot of their dens. The seeding of deactivated roads (with introduced grasses, not an argument for it from an ecological perspective) does produce well fed and fecund bears.

Fire creating new growth and opening up forests to natural succession does keep ungulate and other animal populations healthy (or at least “thriving”).

Here’s the rub though; burning piles is not a substitute for the seasonal burning conducted for 1000s of years by Indigenous people in North America.

In addition to warming the soil to encourage early growth, and being a part of the lifecycle of pyrophilic species like lodgepoles this burning put the biomass of the trees scorched back into the soil (in the case of hotter fires). Guess what doesn’t happen when you remove all the biomass of the trees or burn it in piles?

If you remove the trees how can you emulate a fire that doesn’t burn hot enough to take them out but clears out the understory? You can’t…

Some have clearly taken the industry line to heart; but let’s not pretend we have finally hit on the perfect formula for forest management. Even a kid like me has been in the game long enough to know they’ll be saying the same in 10,20,30 years when they have new techniques.

Also for the biologists; let’s not forget that healthy large mammal populations are not the only indicator of a healthy ecosystem, even if they are good for us as hunters…
 
FLHTCUI said:
Cutting down 600-1000 year old trees on the West Coast of Vancouver Island so some rich globalist in another part of the world can wipe his ass ...
Well, lets just say I think those trees deserve better, so yeah he or she can wipe their ass with their left hand !
To answer the question... clear cutting forests have increased the Black Bear population to where it is today (on Vancouver Island at least).
Good Hunting.
Rob
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I'll preface this with that I am not gonna argue that clearcutting has INCREASED the bear population.

But...
What a line of crap! They are not cutting down 600-1000 year old trees to make toilet paper. Or just to buy it. Those trees make crappy lumber too, as they are usually empty inside, as well as too large to process in the average mill these days.
You get better pulp from a lot younger and faster growing species, and the mills are no longer set up, in general, to handle over a 4 foot but tree,

Folks on the Island have, in a general sense, no idea, that the "Old Growth" that they screech about, is actually second, third, and even fourth growth, from the times that they have been logging there.

The Island has incredible regeneration capability, as far as the undisturbed parts of the Forest are concerned. About the one thing that kills forests off there, is putting houses and yards on the stuff!
 
trevj said:
I'll preface this with that I am not gonna argue that clearcutting has INCREASED the bear population.

But...
What a line of crap! They are not cutting down 600-1000 year old trees to make toilet paper. Or just to buy it. Those trees make crappy lumber too, as they are usually empty inside, as well as too large to process in the average mill these days.
You get better pulp from a lot younger and faster growing species, and the mills are no longer set up, in general, to handle over a 4 foot but tree,

Folks on the Island have, in a general sense, no idea, that the "Old Growth" that they screech about, is actually second, third, and even fourth growth, from the times that they have been logging there.

The Island has incredible regeneration capability, as far as the undisturbed parts of the Forest are concerned. About the one thing that kills forests off there, is putting houses and yards on the stuff!
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Agree totally. Huge papermill thats closed now operated for many,many years in Cornwall. The trees used were all what I call junk softwood that were very young as trees age goes. Anyone thinking any 600 year old trees are being cut to produce paper prodducts are seriously uninformed. The houses being built will do exactly as stated and the more expensive the property the more the trees fall down. We know its wrong but greed trumps everything.
 
It’s funny if you watch some of byarne butlers videos on YouTube a lot of the massive old growth he cuts gets destroyed when it hits the ground. (If it’s in the block it gets cut down, government rules). Compared to redwood logging where every effort is made to save wood that’s being cut. Granted a lot of the big trees byarne cuts are rotten anyways.
 
rajczak_kashka said:
I’m from B.C. What “excessive” logging? Canada never did log excessively. Dont buy into that BS. Just fly over the damn country and you’ll see this.
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...it depends what you mean by excessive logging, and also what part of Canada we are talking about. Your point about flying over is a good one, leaves out a pile of nuance but still, it is easy to spot a recent clear-cut.

Have a look at New Brunswick on Google earth, please do it (even the green areas have roads from less recent cuts) More specifically the entire central and northern areas of the province. If your only value placed upon the landscape is industrial forest production, then perhaps it's not excessive. Otherwise...
 
rajczak_kashka said:
I’m from B.C. What “excessive” logging? Canada never did log excessively. Dont buy into that BS. Just fly over the damn country and you’ll see this.
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You're from BC ...fly over the Island to the west coast ( I have done many times ) fishing ..Maybe an eye opening experience you . The island cutting is way over the top . Not sure where or how bears hibernate there anymore but anyone who says logging increases black bear pop's is just dreaming or works in the industry ....
By the way if you don't mind , where are you from. Born. You sound like you have a a lot of logging history and tree's
 
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rajczak_kashka said:
I’m from B.C. What “excessive” logging? Canada never did log excessively. Dont buy into that BS. Just fly over the damn country and you’ll see this.
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If you're from BC you must be blind. Anywhere you fly over in BC there is almost nothing to see but clear cut after clear cut. The only areas they haven't clear cut are to damn hard to access. On top of that they keep taking out the forestry roads so that the public can't see how little is left. BC's logging ministry/industry used to have the slogan "sustainable yield" we haven't heard that slogan in many years as it's no longer even close to the truth.
 
stang said:
If you're from BC you must be blind. Anywhere you fly over in BC there is almost nothing to see but clear cut after clear cut. The only areas they haven't clear cut are to damn hard to access. On top of that they keep taking out the forestry roads so that the public can't see how little is left. BC's logging ministry/industry used to have the slogan "sustainable yield" we haven't heard that slogan in many years as it's no longer even close to the truth.
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Your're right and Mr kashka should maybe take another flight . But I don't think he cares . Trees don't grow everywhere
 
Almost all of BC has been logged; that’s a very strange claim.

Even the most remote areas have been prospected and logged; the existence of trees at the moment doesn’t mean much. Not to mention the destruction and subsequent logging from beetle kill in pine predominant areas. When I worked north of Fort St James ~7-8 years ago it looked like the moon when you flew out of town

I’ve truly worked all over the province from ft Nelson to Telegraph Creek and down. Maybe it’s different in Surrey :dancingbanana:

There is intact genuine old growth on the coast but it is in patches in areas that were selectively logged and have been for hundreds of years…

I don’t know about toilet paper but there is big money in mature cedar trees for construction/ ornamentation in China etc as well as at home. I don’t know about whatever YouTube channel but a lot of money is spent heli logging etc to get those trees down intact
 
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conor_90 said:
Almost all of BC has been logged; that’s a very strange claim.

Even the most remote areas have been prospected and logged; the existence of trees at the moment doesn’t mean much. Not to mention the destruction and subsequent logging from beetle kill in pine predominant areas. When I worked north of Fort St James ~7-8 years ago it looked like the moon when you flew out of town

I’ve truly worked all over the province from ft Nelson to Telegraph Creek and down. Maybe it’s different in Surrey :dancingbanana:
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maybe so . we shall see how it unfolds . I think it's a mistake
 
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