Is excessive Logging , hurting the bear pop in your area

trevj said:
Well, to be fair, he DID post that he really had no actual experiences to draw on, a while back, that he did not actually know anything to back his opinions.

He strikes me as a bit of a ###ual intellectual who should be a poster child for retro-abortions, and a founding member of the IDtenT Club.

For a guy that knows so little, he sure does speak with the conviction of a zealot!

Maybe the logging around here isn't excessive enough. We have LOTS of black bears, even had a couple Grizzlies digging on the hills out front of my house last spring.

There are basically two things about logging you gotta know. One, is that it is as close as you can come, to recreating a burn environment, without actually burning the area. The other is that if the fires are all put out, and the logging is not done, the whole place will eventually burn down in one MASSIVE fire, and the entire place will become essentially a monoculture, rather than a mixed age forest with patches of varied habitat scattered across the landscape. A single habitat forest is only really good bear country for part of it's life, and having the trees all age out at the same time just makes the land into a sterile dark forest with almost nothing of note, living in it.

If this gets me an entertaining PM, I'll post it for yer edification and laughter! :)
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This is 100% correct.
 
1) It's not possible there are more bears in 2023 than there were previous to large scale industrial logging in North America.
2) It's also not possible that millions of acres of forest can be clearcut annually across North America and not accidentally disturb bear/other animal denning sites and or habitat.
3) It's not possible that with 40 million people living in Canada that human-bear conflict interactions are decreasing as bear habitat is replaced with human settlement.
4) There is a direct positive correlation between human population growth and the decrease in large mammalian populations, in this case bears. But also in other large mammals particulary those that migrate. Bison and Caribou being obvious examples of species that need vast expanses of land to move from calving to wintering grounds. Each species is either extirpated from most of its native range (bison), or in serious decline in its natural range (caribou-which is now considered threatened in many areas).
 
umchorn2 said:
1) It's not possible there are more bears in 2023 than there were previous to large scale industrial logging in North America.
2) It's also not possible that millions of acres of forest can be clearcut annually across North America and not accidentally disturb bear/other animal denning sites and or habitat.
3) It's not possible that with 40 million people living in Canada that human-bear conflict interactions are decreasing as bear habitat is replaced with human settlement.
4) There is a direct positive correlation between human population growth and the decrease in large mammalian populations, in this case bears. But also in other large mammals particulary those that migrate. Bison and Caribou being obvious examples of species that need vast expanses of land to move from calving to wintering grounds. Each species is either extirpated from most of its native range (bison), or in serious decline in its natural range (caribou-which is now considered threatened in many areas).
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Must be hard living in your head, al the evils of civilization yet your still here why?
 
umchorn2 said:
1) It's not possible there are more bears in 2023 than there were previous to large scale industrial logging in North America.
2) It's also not possible that millions of acres of forest can be clearcut annually across North America and not accidentally disturb bear/other animal denning sites and or habitat.
3) It's not possible that with 40 million people living in Canada that human-bear conflict interactions are decreasing as bear habitat is replaced with human settlement.
4) There is a direct positive correlation between human population growth and the decrease in large mammalian populations, in this case bears. But also in other large mammals particulary those that migrate. Bison and Caribou being obvious examples of species that need vast expanses of land to move from calving to wintering grounds. Each species is either extirpated from most of its native range (bison), or in serious decline in its natural range (caribou-which is now considered threatened in many areas).
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i suggest reading and understand our bison situation here ...

https://www.yukon-news.com/local-ne...herd-in-southwest-yukon-exceeded-expectation/
 
Spruster said:
so money is an important factor in all this . I can see where you learned about the trees and money . No offense . it's a business I understand
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What did you actually thing the Forest Industry was about? Some sort of ### Charity, that only spent anything on socially conscious causes? Of course its a business. Without it, people would not have houses, and the whiny C**ts that whinge about it, would not have welfare cheques to cash and live upon.
 
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umchorn2 said:
1) It's not possible there are more bears in 2023 than there were previous to large scale industrial logging in North America.
2) It's also not possible that millions of acres of forest can be clearcut annually across North America and not accidentally disturb bear/other animal denning sites and or habitat.
3) It's not possible that with 40 million people living in Canada that human-bear conflict interactions are decreasing as bear habitat is replaced with human settlement.
4) There is a direct positive correlation between human population growth and the decrease in large mammalian populations, in this case bears. But also in other large mammals particulary those that migrate. Bison and Caribou being obvious examples of species that need vast expanses of land to move from calving to wintering grounds. Each species is either extirpated from most of its native range (bison), or in serious decline in its natural range (caribou-which is now considered threatened in many areas).
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That's really interesting. Maybe even from the potential for a couple or three Psychology Students to do papers on you. But mostly from the delusional sense of butthurt that you project.

My personal perspective on your points, is that you should get out more, and pay more attention to what is actually going on, rather than what is being spoon fed to you through whatever magazines you read and regurgitate. Maybe go back to "Quality Deer Management".

While getting out more, and paying attention to what is around you, consider traveling to actual wilderness, and spending time there. We have rather a LOT of the stuff, much too desolate or otherwise unproductive, to interest even the more desperate of the 'first wave immigrant' folks that walked the land before Whitey came along and ruined things with central heating and grocery stores.
 
Spruster said:
lol ...............
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Yeah, laugh tree child.

Reality is, the THIRD thing about logging, is that it makes jobs, and Tax Dollars (needed to support the weak minded, perpetually lazy, and the locusts on society that draw welfare and other so called "Free Money" for a living).

To be honest, if any of the loggers I know, had ever run over a bear den, or otherwise affected a bear's private life, most of them would be ashamed of themselves. Instead, they are proud of what they do, the lives they provide to their communities (because every guy that cuts down a tree, is employing dozens further down the chain) and they want not very many things beyond the ability to earn a living now, AND to have that living able to be earned again by their kids and grandkids. Just as they are as enthused about being able to take their kids out hunting, and their kids taking the grandkids out. These are people who LIVE in the environment that is around them, and they have no benefit ruining it all for the sake of a buck now.
 
umchorn2 said:
1) It's not possible there are more bears in 2023 than there were previous to large scale industrial logging in North America.
2) It's also not possible that millions of acres of forest can be clearcut annually across North America and not accidentally disturb bear/other animal denning sites and or habitat.
3) It's not possible that with 40 million people living in Canada that human-bear conflict interactions are decreasing as bear habitat is replaced with human settlement.
4) There is a direct positive correlation between human population growth and the decrease in large mammalian populations, in this case bears. But also in other large mammals particulary those that migrate. Bison and Caribou being obvious examples of species that need vast expanses of land to move from calving to wintering grounds. Each species is either extirpated from most of its native range (bison), or in serious decline in its natural range (caribou-which is now considered threatened in many areas).
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In Alberta the best areas I've ever hunted are logged areas that were cut within 1-3 year period. Chock full of bears in the spring that are going after all the new re-growth and small plants.
 
Demonical said:
In Alberta the best areas I've ever hunted are logged areas that were cut within 1-3 year period. Chock full of bears in the spring that are going after all the new re-growth and small plants.
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I would say that in vast swathes of Alberta, if it were not logged, there would be far fewer game animals around, as well as far fewer opportunities to hunt. Without the logging and oil access roads and cuts, most of the Boreal parts of Alberta are damn near to inaccessible.

The browse and grazing that is available for the deer and bears in the new re-growth is the main reason both fire sites and logging cuts are so productive for game. Both for the food FOR the game, and subsequently, for the hunters to have access to those animals.

New logged areas are ugly. But not as ugly as watching it all burn, and no net benefit to anyone coming from it!
 
umchorn2 said:
1) It's not possible there are more bears in 2023 than there were previous to large scale industrial logging in North America.
2) It's also not possible that millions of acres of forest can be clearcut annually across North America and not accidentally disturb bear/other animal denning sites and or habitat.
3) It's not possible that with 40 million people living in Canada that human-bear conflict interactions are decreasing as bear habitat is replaced with human settlement.
4) There is a direct positive correlation between human population growth and the decrease in large mammalian populations, in this case bears. But also in other large mammals particulary those that migrate. Bison and Caribou being obvious examples of species that need vast expanses of land to move from calving to wintering grounds. Each species is either extirpated from most of its native range (bison), or in serious decline in its natural range (caribou-which is now considered threatened in many areas).
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Just wait the until 2050, when Trudeau’s Canada will have 100 million people.
 
m1008 said:
Ignorant/stupid, realize some game populations have increased once the white man showed up.
Remember it’s all about feelings and thoughts, facts, truth. Maybe these “guys” are emotional women
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im all my experiences i had more issues dealing with emotional men than emotional women but it may vary on your own experiences. karen is not limited to women trust me ...
 
trevj said:
I would say that in vast swathes of Alberta, if it were not logged, there would be far fewer game animals around, as well as far fewer opportunities to hunt. Without the logging and oil access roads and cuts, most of the Boreal parts of Alberta are damn near to inaccessible.

The browse and grazing that is available for the deer and bears in the new re-growth is the main reason both fire sites and logging cuts are so productive for game. Both for the food FOR the game, and subsequently, for the hunters to have access to those animals.

New logged areas are ugly. But not as ugly as watching it all burn, and no net benefit to anyone coming from it!
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Too true. Those roads are nice
 
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