Is is illegal to remove the mag safety in Canada?..

[Rudy H]

In my opinion I would look at it from the view point of a person that can and does carry the gun. Would you disable a safety device on a gun? Think USA, think lawyers .

If something happened and it was found that you disabled a safety feature on a gun you could be in real trouble even if that safety device had nothing to do with the event.

It depends if you care more for a performance advantage compared to the spirit of the game.

 

[Boomer]

Perhaps it would be better to determine if the rules allow the use of a pistol without a magazine safety. If you are shooting against 1911's, chances are the rules do not prohibit guns without them.

 

[ElmerFudd]

Section 1 - Non IDPA legal mods for all divisions.

Sub-section E - Disconnection or disabling of any safety device on any gun.

It's called a magazine disconnect.

Well in IDPA is it a safety device or just a magazine disconnect?

...apparently it is common to recieve pms from some members who disagree with your posts.

I've never received any because everyone agrees with what I say. But if you disagree just PM me.

Intentionally disabling a safety device is not allowed in PPC which I fire, and I believe that IPSC has a similar stance.

In IPSC Production division it might not be allowed (might depend on if a version of the gun is available from the factory without it.) But if it is Standard or Open division you are free to pin your grip safety or whatever. Can't disable the thumb safety though.

In my opinion I would look at it from the view point of a person that can and does carry the gun. Would you disable a safety device on a gun? Think USA, think lawyers .

If something happened and it was found that you disabled a safety feature on a gun you could be in real trouble even if that safety device had nothing to do with the event.

Nonsense. Got a link to some data backing that up?

I agree with Boomer that the magazine safety really isn't a safety but just a magazine disconnect. Only guns that they should be in are 22LRs that can be damaged if there isn't a round in the chamber. Again it doesn't check the chamber but it makes it less likely that you accidentally pull the trigger while cleaning, etc. when there isn't a round loaded. It's on my S&W model 41 and I don't mind it there.


Fudd

 

[RePete]

A magazine disconnect IS considered a safety device!

And KodiakII - people disagree with me often, I get a couple or PM's/e-mails a year and that's OK with me.

hatman1793 - PPC only has that for the Distinguished guns.

 

[marshall]

Bhp

"...isn't the gun malfunctioning, when you can pull the trigger with the mag removed..." Nope. Mag safeties are mostly a European thing. The one on a BHP causes the trigger pull to be much heavier too. The only thing you need to do is inform another shooter about it if you let them shoot your pistol. Mind you, the chances of them having a round in the chamber with the mag out are slim, but it's still a good idea to tell them. Just like it is telling them about a very light trigger on a rifle.
"...would have to inform the CFO about?..." No.

I had not thought about that,has been years since I handled one- fellow I
know has one and tells me the trigger the worst he has ever seen- will has to check it out.
Sorry about the hijack.

 

[TDC]

In my opinion I would look at it from the view point of a person that can and does carry the gun. Would you disable a safety device on a gun? Think USA, think lawyers .

If something happened and it was found that you disabled a safety feature on a gun you could be in real trouble even if that safety device had nothing to do with the event.

It depends if you care more for a performance advantage compared to the spirit of the game.

This isn't the US. A lawsuit is unlikely in any event. If you are correct(for the sake of argument) its a simple fix. SHUT YOUR MOUTH. You can't be held liable for something that can't be proven.

On a technical note. Most handguns DO NOT have a magazine disconnect. So why the worry that disabling such device(a useless device) would lead to a negligent discharge and/or bodily injury??

There is no such thing as an "accidental discharge". Its called a negligent discharge. Someone was in control of the firearm, atleast they should have been.

TDC

ETA: As far as I know, both IDPA and IPSC demand that all factory installed safeties be functioning in order to shoot a match. If this is the case, why is it that many of the IPSC shooters pin their grip safeties in and get away with it?

 

[Smitty]

Opps I did not realizing I was in the wrong. This was on a Browning P-35 for I did the same on a Browning P-35 some 20 yrs ago which I sold 10 or 15 yrs later.

 

[Steve David]

cbabes,

PM sent, read and reply.

Steve

 

[Dragoon]

ETA: As far as I know, both IDPA and IPSC demand that all factory installed safeties be functioning in order to shoot a match.

Then sorry TDC, you just don't know. All safeties must be functional in IDPA (ie: mags safeties on Smiths, firing pin blocks on series 80 type 1911s, etc.) but only the 'primary' safety (ie: thumb safety on 1911s) is required in IPSC. (Production Division being the exception)

 

[johnkwok]

Can't give any advice on IDPA rules, and I always used 1911 in ipsc.

But i have removed the disconnect on one of my two hi powers, and for my gun, it really helped on the trigger action.

a more mechanically inclined friend helped me (just don't do it over a garage floor, dropped but found the part)

a couple of sited on how to instructions, if so inclined, and nice thing about the experiment, is that it is reversible. regards.

http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/Hptriggerjob.htm

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=133740

 

[TDC]

Then sorry TDC, you just don't know. All safeties must be functional in IDPA (ie: mags safeties on Smiths, firing pin blocks on series 80 type 1911s, etc.) but only the 'primary' safety (ie: thumb safety on 1911s) is required in IPSC. (Production Division being the exception)

How does that work?? Some pistols must be unaltered but 1911's are exempt? Sounds like an unfair advantage for the 1911 crowd.

TDC

 

[Dragoon]

How does that work?? Some pistols must be unaltered but 1911's are exempt? Sounds like an unfair advantage for the 1911 crowd.

TDC

No, pistols in Production Division are not permitted modifications (with some exceptions). The only '1911' allowed in Production Division is the Para-Ordnance 'LDA'. It too is not allowed to be modified to remain Production Division compliant.

Single action 1911s compete in either 'Open', 'Modified' or 'Standard' Divisions depending on how they're set-up. Shooters and their guns only compete against others in the same 'Division'. So, unaltered LDAs in Production Division do NOT go head to head with highly customized 1911s in Open Division.

 

[TDC]

Why can't standard 1911's compete in production??

TDC

ETA: Feel free to PM me.

 

[k22236821]

Why can't standard 1911's compete in production??

Cuz they(IPSC) say so. Production Division is set up for DA/SA,DAO and striker fired guns.

From the IPSC Rulebook:
Appendix D4
16. Only handguns approved and listed on the IPSC website may be used in Production Division.

17. Single-action-only handguns are prohibited....

 

[ckc123]

Why can't standard 1911's compete in production??

Same reason that revolvers don't compete against 1911's.


There are "divisions" created to that competitiors can compete against "like guns".. the production division was intended as an "off the self" division with no single action pistols allowed (there are a lot of other rules as well, but thats a different discussion..)

there are different divisions as well so that anyone "off the street" can compete without having to spend tons of $$ on equipment. (again not ALL guns can shoot production, only the ones on "approved list").

 

[TDC]

I understand the divisions. My question is why a stock 1911 can't compete with other STOCK pistols. SA or DA doesn't really afford a great advantage. Any other reason other than "that's the rules"???

TDC

 

[ckc123]

I understand the divisions. My question is why a stock 1911 can't compete with other STOCK pistols. SA or DA doesn't really afford a great advantage. Any other reason other than "that's the rules"???

TDC

There is more to it then "just the rules".. they had to draw the line somewhere with regards to major features of the pistols, and thats what the chose.

Now a days you have manufactures (CZ) who have a "production" pistol which they target exclusivly at the IPSC production market(Vs the general public), and try to get as many competitve features in it without "going over" the line.. Eg. see all the comments about the SP01 and the SP01 Tactical.