Is it acceptable etiquette

tomo333 said:
You were "too polite" to mention it to the guys that made a mistake but not too polite to tattle to the executive and put a post on a public forum. Shame on you. This all could have been avoided if you approached the two gentlemen and politely mentioned that you had also been shooting .45. I'm pretty sure they would have politely said they were sorry and divided up the brass.
Click to expand...

Kind of rich of you to dress him down over not wanting to make a stink over it at the range, and finding out what is normal etiquette don't you think? It could go the other way as well, guys collecting brass calling out that they're sorting 45 ACP, who else is running it?
 
saskgunowner101 said:
Kind of rich of you to dress him down over not wanting to make a stink over it at the range, and finding out what is normal etiquette don't you think? It could go the other way as well, guys collecting brass calling out that they're sorting 45 ACP, who else is running it?
Click to expand...

A few things came to mind when I read the original post. One of the first was that if you can’t afford to lose some precious 45 or 38 super brass at a match, maybe you should shoot another caliber.

I’m with tomo on this one and it would appear the op is too.

Kudos to Jager for his response in this thread and kudos to the op for realizing he could have handled it better.
 
Last edited:
Runningfool said:
A few things came to mind when I read the original post. One of the first was that if you can’t afford to lose some precious 45 or 38 super brass at a match, maybe you should shoot another caliber. Another thought was how on earth do matches stay on schedule if each person scurries around collecting brass after they shoot? We don’t hold ipsc matches at my club but I can tell you that at the dozens of idpa/odpl and 3gun matches we’ve put on over the years, there is no time for digging in the grass for your brass...if you finish shooting at 11am and want to hang around until 5:30 when the match is over and tear down is complete to collect your brass, have at er’ but it would be disrespectful to the rest of the shooters if you put them behind schedule because you wanted to collect your brass.

I’m with tomo on this one. The question of etiquette aside, one thing I can tell you for sure is that the op never put on a match.

And kudos to Jager for his response in this thread; that was pure class imo..
Click to expand...

I have no clue why you quoted me in your post? Clearly the 45 brass was sorted/being sorted after the match.

At any 3 gun comp I've went to, everyone pretty much scurries in and cleans up mags/brass etc behind the shooter (stage done), and dumps on a table. Or later on the brass is dumped on a table and called out.

Seems Jager was there, and is a classy guy. Other guys might not be.
 
saskgunowner101 said:
I have no clue why you quoted me in your post? Clearly the 45 brass was sorted/being sorted after the match.

At any 3 gun comp I've went to, everyone pretty much scurries in and cleans up mags/brass etc behind the shooter (stage done), and dumps on a table. Or later on the brass is dumped on a table and called out.

Seems Jager was there, and is a classy guy. Other guys might not be.
Click to expand...
Yes Jager was there and I have talked to him. He is a classy guy and I genuinely believe his explanation.
Let's put this to rest guys. Dragging me through more mud serves no purpose unless you are amused.
I have also PM a couple of you to clarify things. Feel free to contact Jager about them if you want to.
All I ask is that you not misquote me.
 
saskgunowner101 said:
I have no clue why you quoted me in your post? Clearly the 45 brass was sorted/being sorted after the match.

At any 3 gun comp I've went to, everyone pretty much scurries in and cleans up mags/brass etc behind the shooter (stage done), and dumps on a table. Or later on the brass is dumped on a table and called out.

Seems Jager was there, and is a classy guy. Other guys might not be.
Click to expand...

I quoted you because you seemed to have an issue with how tomo saw the issue. The op saw the truth in what tomo was saying and I do too. As you can see I edited my post well before you quoted it - as I pm’d the op, I re-read what he posted and revised my post; he is clearly a stand-up guy who realized his mistakes and adjusted his position accordingly...as did I.

Not sure what kind of 3gun matches you’ve been to but I can assure you there is no time to retrieve brass between shooters at our matches. We run efficient matches that maximize the number of participants, are on schedule, and respect participants’ time - we get no complaints on that front. We do not have a “house claims all brass” policy at our range but I know others that do and I do not begrudge them one bit for it.

Putting on matches is a thankless job and there are already too few willing to put in the work required to host events that shooters can enjoy. Please forgive me if I get my back up a bit when I know people who put in hour after hour making matches happen only to get posts implying people are “stealing” their brass or smugly brag about shooting aluminum cased ammo.
 
Last edited:
Pilon has done the manly thing and admitted he spoke in haste. One valuable lesson (along with others) I learned getting separated and divorced was the 24 hour rule. Wait 24 hours to respond and most times your outlook is different. Looks good on ya!
 
The USPSA Area 2 is declared a "lost brass match, no brass picking".......all the brass on each stage is collected and divided between the ROs on each stage....a plus for working the match
 
It was a very hot and very humid day this past Saturday. My absent-mindedness can be attributed to that and the stresses of administering the match, setup the previous evening, RSO'ing for 50% of the time, coordinating everyone's efforts so that 15 shooters could shoot 6 stages totalling about 100 rounds in just 4.5 hours (including 3 breaks for resetting for stages 3&4, 5, and 6), and of course competing myself. I'm also getting married in 6 weeks so there's a lot going on off the range too! It was a high-energy day that demanded high-effort participation from everyone. During the match clean-up, 4-5 of us were sorting brass. Myself and the other guy thought we were the only ones shooting 45 so we cut the pile in half and cleaned it off the table right away since the tables needed to be folded up and put away too. Our haste had good intentions in speeding up the clean-up.

It's obvious the pressure of competition and the elements had detrimental effects on everyone. No need to rake anyone over the coals here. It's water under the bridge. Although Pilon has stated it's not necessary for the brass to be returned, I intend to anyway. They are so clean that you need sunglasses to look directly at them.
 
Last edited:
xldbldbl said:
I never pick up brass after a match, hosting club can do with it what they please.
Click to expand...

Yeah same here, I've always just written off match brass, maybe I won't anymore. I would be in favour of the brass going to RO's though, as a small gesture of appreciation for their time and effort.
 
Runningfool said:
I quoted you because you seemed to have an issue with how tomo saw the issue. The op saw the truth in what tomo was saying and I do too. As you can see I edited my post well before you quoted it - as I pm’d the op, I re-read what he posted and revised my post; he is clearly a stand-up guy who realized his mistakes and adjusted his position accordingly...as did I.

Not sure what kind of 3gun matches you’ve been to but I can assure you there is no time to retrieve brass between shooters at our matches. We run efficient matches that maximize the number of participants, are on schedule, and respect participants’ time - we get no complaints on that front. We do not have a “house claims all brass” policy at our range but I know others that do and I do not begrudge them one bit for it.

Putting on matches is a thankless job and there are already too few willing to put in the work required to host events that shooters can enjoy. Please forgive me if I get my back up a bit when I know people who put in hour after hour making matches happen only to get posts implying people are “stealing” their brass or smugly brag about shooting aluminum cased ammo.
Click to expand...

Maybe just go have a cry and you'll feel better. You do realize people can see things differently than you do, right?
 
Just pick up brass when RO not looking.
If they say something you then say...."you talking to me....no one else in this room...you must be talking to me...you talking to me?"
 
Mikey scuba
Ontario RO s r the best there is. It's the CRO who has xray vision and feels compelled to over rule the RO as a demonstration of their God like status.
I can comfortably voice this here without fear of being banned from ipsc ont forum.
 
pilon said:
At an informal non sanctioned action pistol match is it normal practice for the home club guys to gather up and keep brass? I shot at the IPSC Provincials in '92 and that is what happened then too. Most shooters then were less than thrilled about that. Has it become acceptable etiquette now? 45 brass is not so common as it once was and that is why I am asking. Thanks for taking the time to read.
Click to expand...

If you have a glock do like me.
Shoot your matches with your buldged brass reloads that won't fit in a case gauge anymore, but fits in a glock chamber.
Easy way to get rid of them.

I do give them a plunk test with removed barrel just to be sure I won't jam at a lvl 1-2 match.
This same ammo in an 1911 would wreck a stage pretty bad.
 
Jäger said:
It was a very hot and very humid day this past Saturday. My absent-mindedness can be attributed to that and the stresses of administering the match, setup the previous evening, RSO'ing for 50% of the time, coordinating everyone's efforts so that 15 shooters could shoot 6 stages totalling about 100 rounds in just 4.5 hours (including 3 breaks for resetting for stages 3&4, 5, and 6), and of course competing myself. I'm also getting married in 6 weeks so there's a lot going on off the range too! It was a high-energy day that demanded high-effort participation from everyone. During the match clean-up, 4-5 of us were sorting brass. Myself and the other guy thought we were the only ones shooting 45 so we cut the pile in half and cleaned it off the table right away since the tables needed to be folded up and put away too. Our haste had good intentions in speeding up the clean-up.

It's obvious the pressure of competition and the elements had detrimental effects on everyone. No need to rake anyone over the coals here. It's water under the bridge. Although Pilon has stated it's not necessary for the brass to be returned, I intend to anyway. They are so clean that you need sunglasses to look directly at them.
Click to expand...
Haha. I would rather have them point the projectile away from the No shoots! ;0)
 
I've seen a couple different ways brass is dealt with at matches.

1. No one collects any brass until the tear-down is complete. Then it's a free-for-all (most common in my experience)
2. Brass is collected after tear-down is complete and it's shared by the RO's only
3. All brass that hits the ground is property of the range. Some ranges sell it, some distribute to range members or friends, some have contracts with recyclers.

I consider all my matches to be lost-brass matches personally. Part of the cost of playing the game.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom