Is it legal to keep a Side Saddle loaded?

Deuce-deuce said:
Here's something I hadn't thought about... sidesaddle. Legal... magazines loaded in a desantis butt packer for the cx-4 is not.

Edit. Shawn, I was trying to quote the law not your post.
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Why would that not be legal? A magazine attached to the rifle in a way that's entirely incapable of feeding ammunition to the chamber should be fine, no?
 
Ilove12gshotguns said:
The Rcmp states that non restricted firearms are stored and transported unloaded.

Is a Side Saddle that is attached to the firearm now considered part of it, and therefore if it's loaded so is the gun? Or is the siddel saddle a completely different thing that can remain loaded.
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You can transport it with a loaded side saddle but you cannot store it that way unless the shotgun and side saddle are locked in the same container. Unless you live in a remote wilderness area or need the weapon for pest control.
 
Suther said:
Why would that not be legal? A magazine attached to the rifle in a way that's entirely incapable of feeding ammunition to the chamber should be fine, no?
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unloaded, in respect of a firearm, means that any propellant, projectile or cartridge that can be discharged from the firearm is not contained in the breech or firing chamber of the firearm nor in the cartridge magazine attached to or inserted into the firearm. (non chargée)
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Deuce-deuce said:
unloaded, in respect of a firearm, means that any propellant, projectile or cartridge that can be discharged from the firearm is not contained in the breech or firing chamber of the firearm nor in the cartridge magazine attached to or inserted into the firearm. (non chargée)
Cartridge magazine attached to...
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I get where you're coming from, but i feel like that interpretation is wrong. If the magazine is attached in such a way that it is impossible to feed ammunition into the chamber, (such as the Kel-Tec su16 with magazines in the butt stock, or the device you mention) then I think the crown would have a hard time arguing its a loaded gun.

I'm assuming there is no precedence set in this matter? Surely people have been stopped with these sorts of things before, but if nobody has been charged then I think it's a non issue..?
 
Suther said:
I get where you're coming from, but i feel like that interpretation is wrong. If the magazine is attached in such a way that it is impossible to feed ammunition into the chamber, (such as the Kel-Tec su16 with magazines in the butt stock, or the device you mention) then I think the crown would have a hard time arguing its a loaded gun.

I'm assuming there is no precedence set in this matter? Surely people have been stopped with these sorts of things before, but if nobody has been charged then I think it's a non issue..?
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I’m on side with you 100%. Imho it’s not a loaded gun... that said the way I read the law says different. I’ll defer to my typical ideas on this type of thing. If you’re not a problem you won’t have one. If you’re banging a cop or CO’s daughter you might have a legal bill to pay. ;)
 
Deuce-deuce said:
I’m on side with you 100%. Imho it’s not a loaded gun... that said the way I read the law says different. I’ll defer to my typical ideas on this type of thing. If you’re not a problem you won’t have one. If you’re banging a cop or CO’s daughter you might have a legal bill to pay. ;)
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My father in law builds manufactured homes. I'm good. Lol

Generally, I would agree with you - the wording does seem to imply the situation you described would be illegal, but I feel like this is one of the few times where common sense would prevail. Then again who knows, I've gotten a traffic ticket for doing a perfectly legal maneuver so...
 
Deuce-deuce said:
unloaded, in respect of a firearm, means that any propellant, projectile or cartridge that can be discharged from the firearm is not contained in the breech or firing chamber of the firearm nor in the cartridge magazine attached to or inserted into the firearm. (non chargée)
Cartridge magazine attached to...
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A side saddle is not a cartridge magazine any more than a cardboard box is. "Attached to or inserted" makes allusion to the fact that some magazine fed firearms have magazines (that are necessary for the function of the firearm) that are inserted into the gun, and others that are attached on the outside of the gun. A side saddle is none of those things because the gun can not feed itself from the side saddle.

Suther said:
My father in law builds manufactured homes. I'm good. Lol

Generally, I would agree with you - the wording does seem to imply the situation you described would be illegal, but I feel like this is one of the few times where common sense would prevail. Then again who knows, I've gotten a traffic ticket for doing a perfectly legal maneuver so...
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That's why you can protest a traffic ticket after it's been issued.
 
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5 (1) An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is

(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,

(ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or

(iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.

(2) Paragraph (1)(b) does not apply to any individual who stores a non-restricted firearm temporarily if the individual reasonably requires it for the control of predators or other animals in a place where it may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.

(3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.


<http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-1.html#h-3>
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Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations (SOR/98-209)
<http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/index.html>
 
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