Is it me or does score shotgun ammo kick way harder?

[cosmic]

Well - If you are cheap, you're gonna puke at the cost of a limbsaver. Save up your pin money and get a pump or a semi with removeable chokes - then you can try your hand at doubles, and shoot ducks too.

And yes - you can shoot regular slugs (not the sabot style) through a full choke. You may not enjoy the recoil when using your single shot.

 

[Gnome75]

it is obvious that you have no clue about what you are doing and refuse to pay attention to the sage advice being given here!!

Well that escaladed quickly...

 

[Sharps '74]

If recoil is bothering you, and you continue to shoot, you will unconsciously start to anticipate the pain. That’s how you get the flinch.

You may think 1 1/4” isn’t much more than 1 oz through a light gun but that’s not what 100’s of thousands of people hunting and playing clays games have figured out over the last 120 Year’s

Years ago I got talked into trying Trap and Sporting Clays with a Winchester M12 with 28" M barrel and recoil pad. I was shooting Federal #7-1/2/1-1/8 oz. that I had on hand. After 100 rds, I developed a stiff neck and a recoil headache. Not fun and I quit.

Later in Cowboy Action Shooting I discovered 1 oz. and 7/8 oz. loads and the light went on! Just recently I came back to trap using my Browning M12 in 20 ga.; quite comfortable and does well at 16 yds. with Federal #7-1/2/7/8 oz. I've also acquired an Ithaca/SKB OU in 20 ga but have only shot it once to date. Just this week I bought it's big brother in 12 ga. and it's on it's way to me.

After I walked away from Trap, I read an article in 'Sporting Clays' magazine about a US instructor who went to England and took a shooting course at one of the famous schools using their guns with fixed chokes and their ammo. Under their tutelage he was dusting everything and was surprised to learn that the loads were 3/4 oz. !!! When he commented on this, he was told that only Americans thought it necessary to use 1-1/8 oz. of shot to break a clay bird.

 

[3macs1]

Years ago I got talked into trying Trap and Sporting Clays with a Winchester M12 with 28" M barrel and recoil pad. I was shooting Federal #7-1/2/1-1/8 oz. that I had on hand. After 100 rds, I developed a stiff neck and a recoil headache. Not fun and I quit.

Later in Cowboy Action Shooting I discovered 1 oz. and 7/8 oz. loads and the light went on! Just recently I came back to trap using my Browning M12 in 20 ga.; quite comfortable and does well at 16 yds. with Federal #7-1/2/7/8 oz. I've also acquired an Ithaca/SKB OU in 20 ga but have only shot it once to date. Just this week I bought it's big brother in 12 ga. and it's on it's way to me.

After I walked away from Trap, I read an article in 'Sporting Clays' magazine about a US instructor who went to England and took a shooting course at one of the famous schools using their guns with fixed chokes and their ammo. Under their tutelage he was dusting everything and was surprised to learn that the loads were 3/4 oz. !!! When he commented on this, he was told that only Americans thought it necessary to use 1-1/8 oz. of shot to break a clay bird.

It is why a lot of us have shot their best scores consistently with a 28ga vs a 12ga
To clarify that is skeet but I have also shot 16yard trap with a full choke and 7 1/2 in the 28ga and did OK never 27 yard however
Cheers

 

[the spank]

Years ago I got talked into trying Trap and Sporting Clays with a Winchester M12 with 28" M barrel and recoil pad. I was shooting Federal #7-1/2/1-1/8 oz. that I had on hand. After 100 rds, I developed a stiff neck and a recoil headache. Not fun and I quit.

Later in Cowboy Action Shooting I discovered 1 oz. and 7/8 oz. loads and the light went on! Just recently I came back to trap using my Browning M12 in 20 ga.; quite comfortable and does well at 16 yds. with Federal #7-1/2/7/8 oz. I've also acquired an Ithaca/SKB OU in 20 ga but have only shot it once to date. Just this week I bought it's big brother in 12 ga. and it's on it's way to me.

After I walked away from Trap, I read an article in 'Sporting Clays' magazine about a US instructor who went to England and took a shooting course at one of the famous schools using their guns with fixed chokes and their ammo. Under their tutelage he was dusting everything and was surprised to learn that the loads were 3/4 oz. !!! When he commented on this, he was told that only Americans thought it necessary to use 1-1/8 oz. of shot to break a clay bird.

Dusting them is quite easy, breaking them is another story!
Personally I would have no issue trying out 3/4 oz at singles from the 16 but I prefer the extra 3/8oz for handicap being as I am a past 27 yard shooter(25 currently and using 1oz).

 

[Sharps '74]

Is there any difference between the shot pattern with the same choke, same shot load between a 20 ga and a 12 ga,?

 

[Sharps '74]

Dusting them is quite easy, breaking them is another story!
Personally I would have no issue trying out 3/4 oz at singles from the 16 but I prefer the extra 3/8oz for handicap being as I am a past 27 yard shooter(25 currently and using 1oz).

OK - I used the term incorrectly. I mean he turned the clays into dust, not just breaking them.

 

[MD]

I like Score ammunition. I have only seen it at Wholesale Sports, so I stocked up the last two times I went. Before the closing out sales though, but I've got enough to finish this waterfowl season and the next.

Never noticed any noticeable difference in recoil compared to Kent or other brands really.

 

[Ashcroft]

Less shot ( weight of load, number of pellets) will give approximately the same size pattern with the same choke constriction regardless of gauge but the pellets will be farther apart with lighter shot payload. For example, a modified choke will give denser patterns at a given distance with 1 1/8 oz of shot than with 7/8 oz of shot whether from a 12 gauge or a 20 gauge. More pellets and tighter chokes each extend your effective range by carrying a sufficient shot density farther. This is why many trap shooters usually use 1 1/8 oz loads (maximum legal competition load) and full choke for maximum handicap ranges of 27 yards. At long ranges they get more breaks with this combination and one miss due to a thin pattern could cost you a match. At the other end of the spectrum the heavier loads offer no advantage at closer range and as mentioned, can cause other , sometimes chronic problems.

 

[Suther]

My worst ever and I have shot a lot of different types was a 3 1/2 lead round out of a new mossy 835 pump when they first came out
It was unreal and my shoulder was marked after two shots
Cheers

I've got some federal 1 1/4oz slugs going like 1600fps. In my single shot (18" Sinsinati, weighs 5lb1oz) those kick like a mule! Recoil calculator put it at just over 50 ft lbs!

 

[M12shooter]

With the non toxic shot regulations manufacturers have made up for the ballistic inequality of steel when compared to the awesomeness of lead by increasing velocity to ridiculous levels...actually dangerous as steel pellets bounce off hard surfaces and such.

My guess with lead fodder is that the new generation thinks that faster is better as well. Why lead shotshell loads are being pushed with new powders to velocities over 1400 fps. Fact is pattern kills not power.

IMO high velocity lead loads subject the shooter to punishment that is not required to get the job done. As for the OP, Toppers were always light inexpensive shotguns that were known to recoil like a mule. Not designed for high volume shooting but rather potting a few grouse or jumping a few ducks off a local stock pond.

 

[nitro-express]

So like many people I took advantage of the whole sale sports deals.

The shot gun I am using is the H&R Topper single shot. So yes very light weight gun with no recoil pad, just a hard plastic butt plate.

I have been shooting clays (at clays) with the Winchester super speed 1oz shot size 7.5 1350FPS and my shoulder is fine. Can easily and enjoyably go through multiple boxes.

I also but some Challenge 00 buck, the cheapest ones. It kicked hard but it was a fun recoil and fun to screw around with. Shot half a box in one sitting and I was fine.

I bought some of the score brand 1 1/4oz shot size 4 and 1350FPS just to screw around with. That stuff kicked like crazy. My shoulder could only handle 8 shots.

Am I missing something (other than clays) or does score kick way harder than other brands.

I have discovered the same thing. Try their slugs !!!!!!!! IMO some of their 12 ga loads are a puzzler, too much buck for what they are. I'm not seeing any pressure problems, but I've stop buying them. I also load 12 ga, and lately on a quest for a more lethal skunk load, I got a recipe that is loud and is lethal on both ends. Well not really lethal recoil, but more than I think is normal for 1 3/8 oz of shot.

If you pick your load, Score is OK. Standard Target is decent, as is Low Recoil. Super Rapid Target, not so much.

Of the cheap stuff, I like Challenger, or Federal. I'm hoping to pick up a flat or 2 on Boxing day.