Is it time for classifications in Tac Rifle?

Should we classify Tac Rifle participantsaccording to firearm type used?

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I agree w/ unibomber and sparrow (to a degree). As a max, maybe a 'top in class', but shooting the stages with mixed firearms is great. It gives a perspective to those who may only shoot one type, and was certainly an eye opener for those of us with other pieces- Kiwimatt is a great example- love that stripper clip routine!
It's a shame Xwestie didn't make it- I was looking forward to seeing him shoot the match- that was some great 'bolt work' in the practice on Saturday (after he overcame the mag problem...)!

Taking the 'divide into classes' to the extreme- do you then subdivide into those w/ optics, and those shooting irons? In one case last weekend, the 10 round mag was certainly no advantage, w/o the optics.... It would take away from the experience, IMNSHO.

Keep them mixed, and maybe do a 'top in class'.
 
About those magazines

Ok guys, a little info. Note the scores from last match:

  1. Gothmog 230 BStorm, 9mm (10)
  2. BKJedi 260 Carbon15, 9mm (10)
  3. Doc911 304 BStorm, 9mm (10)
  4. Robmika 312 AR15, 5.56
  5. KiwiMatt 341 SKS
  6. Shazam 363 AR15, 5.56
  7. Unibomber 376 SIG CQB, 5.56
  8. MiracleJoe 386 AR15, 5.56 (10)
  9. Dannyair 408 SIG CQB 5.56
  10. Sherilyn S 425 BStorm, 9mm (10)
  11. CH 425 Colt C8 5.56 (10)
  12. Cpl_Punishment 438 G36, 5.56 (10)
  13. BenS 514 SKS
  14. GSmurf1234 561 AR15, 5.56
  15. PCordick 565 AR15, 5.56
  16. Nighthawk 694 BStorm, 9mm (10)
There are 8 shooters who used 10 rounders as evidenced by the (10) to the right of their score. Of these 8, 5 are PCC users, the rest are shooting rifles.
 
Howdy all,

What Dave is proposing here went through my mind also once I saw the distibution of scores.

I would have liked to be higher (I was 4th), but in the end it did not really matter personally. As Dave has recorded the scores showing who used what and the capacity of magazine, it becomes quickley apparent what the lay of the land is. And since we do not shoot for prizes or beer, in the end you are only competing against yourself to try to better your performance to the past. Where you rank has NO BEARING on if you have improved or not. Only you know that. So what if some off duty super CQB gun master Navy Seal comes by one month and comes in first. Did YOU do better than your performance last time, and did you take away any lessons.

I do not really think, at least at this point, that we want to get too beaurocratic, then where does it stop. Next it will be seperating out other factors (short/tall, fat/skinny, purple/blue, etc).

My vote is to leave it as is with the info posted beside the shooter name. Everyone knows that the pistol & high cap combo has a distinct advantage. Perhaps they will always place 1,2,3. In the end, the rifle guys know that until the pistol types run a rifle, they have not proven anything to be compared to a rifle.

There is my 2 bits and change.

Rob
 
Hi Rob,
Thanks for your input ...

I know that when you shoot the matches you try to stay true to your training which also costs you a few points, match wise. It would be ideal to be able to take all of these factors (caliber, mags, procedures) into account and get a 'true' score, but unfortunately I don't believe that possible, short of mandating the exact same equipment for everyone, right down to ammo and optics.

I agree with you in taking the standings with a big grain of salt and using scores for self evaluation purposes for the most part. At one point I even considered dropping the scoring altogether, but most of the knowledgeable commentary was against that idea, so I've kept standings part of the game.

In the end, it can't hurt to have these discussions from time to time to get feedback from participants and see if things might be improved in some way or other.
 
Dave:
Exactly...
First time I've shot the match, and place 3rd? More the gun and sights than anything, in my case..
Probably won't shoot the Cx4 next go round...hopefully Sherilyn S 425 and my daughter will have that gun monopolised...I'm working on kitting out the CZ 58S for the next match...see how the '5 round mag change' works against the last shoot...bone up on the drills, and see if I can't give those 5 round AR boys a run for their money..:)
 
Hey Doc, the VZ is a good shooter and seems to perform well for its users in match conditions. I'm not a big fan of the 'rocking magazine' system, but practice makes perfect after all. I didn't much like the Beretta reload at first either ...

The lack of optics will be a real change. Those EoTechs rule the TR field, IMO. Iron sights really slow me down, probably due in part to my middle aged eyesight. It should be an interesting experience for you.

At least your ammo costs will stay low ... those poor 223 shooters are paying through the nose these days!
 
Yah...200 for 500 rounds, best you can do on the Wet Coast....? Man that really sucks..hopefully the next batch of import ammo will come down in price, as I'll have a Tavor and AR (Norc imitation..) habit to feed soon.

Looking at getting a side rail mounted on my VZ- just got the side rail bracket from Kasat, here on the board (man, thats one honkin' big piece of steel...); waiting for the Weaver/Pict side rail from Kalinka to arrive, before I drill/tap/weld...
Then the ladies will get to shoot with the 'Bushnell Eotech knockoff', while I hog all the good optics...we'll see how this plays out in the next few weeks....
 
Try these on for size ...

Well apparently some of you folks can't add!

This will be good news for some ... ;)

1. Gothmog

230​

2. BKJedi

277​

3. Doc911

304​

4. Robmika

312​

5. KiwiMatt

340​

6. Unibomber

376​

7. MiracleJoe

386​

8. Dannyair

408​

9. CH

425​

10. SherilynS

425​

11. Cpl Punish

438​

12. Shazam

463​

13. PCordick

465​

14. BenS

514​

15.GSmurf1234

561​

16. Nighthawk

694​
 
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I like being scored ,because it gives a idea of how well you are doing against yourself & others. And it gives an idea of what gear works best or slows you down. example I used to run all my mag pouches open , so I could see & access my mags quickly ......until running & moving fast showed me that was a good way to leave mags all over the place!!! :eek:except were I wanted them!
So now I have started closing the flaps and last Shoot I was looking though mag pouches that i had already emptied and that cost me quit a bit of time in a couple stages!...DOH! point: changing procedures, gear& rifles in this game will cost you time!( well me anyway!) :runaway:Anyway that's off topic a bit But whatever!:50cal:
 
Guess it's time to buy a couple of mags and some webbing. :cool:

It's going to be interesting lugging an M-14 around the stages, I think. Mind you, 'fast' is relative when you're a 230-lb keyboard monkey!
 
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