So OP, like I said before. You can continue reading all this garbage if you have free time. All you asked was if you should sell you gun and buy a new one. Like I said about 10 pages ago. If you even think that then your sick of it. Sell the damn gun and buy something new. Believe me you won't need either in a "battle" so don't worry about the "battle proven" boys. Get something new! After so many years when your sick of that one. Sell it and buy maybe the new version of Tavor or whatever else is out then. These retards on here will go at least another 20 or so pages. If you have young children you will know what zu zu pets are. There little hamsters that make noise and the motor allows them to run straight. My daughter has about 50 of them and when she turns them all on they will all get stuck in a corner and keep bumping into each other and the walls and go no where. Welcome to the black forum on CGN
Is it time for me to leave the Tavor?
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He asked if he should sell his gun and buy a new one. This thread is nothing to do with that. Its a bunch of children arguing which ones their favorite, and each aspect they argue is totally personal preference. Its a matter of "defending" their baby and not answering the OP questions
Ardent
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...I just got here a page or two ago and guys like Chago are reason number 2 I come to this forum about once a season. Likely the most hostile, least contributive discussions of the forum occur in this one for reasons I've yet to understand.
This is still a forum to talk about guns, right? I best return to my friendly fudd and target forums.
TDC will wish me well on my way anyhow.
This is still a forum to talk about guns, right? I best return to my friendly fudd and target forums.
TDC will wish me well on my way anyhow. ...I just got here a page or two ago and guys like Chago are reason number 2 I come to this forum about once a season. Likely the most hostile, least contributive discussions of the forum occur in this one for reasons I've yet to understand.
This is still a forum to talk about guns, right? I best return to my friendly fudd and target forums.
Thanks for coming out. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
And those (a fair number) of us that happen to own AR rifles and a Tavor?
Chago. We had an expression up North when someone who deserved it got hit. He was talking when he should have been listening.
When it comes to bullets/balistics how many of you have created your own wildcat round? I happen to own a rifle in a calibre Ardent put together. 7mmAIM. It's a neat round and smartly thought out for it's purpose.
On a side note regarding velocity. On a friend's 1/4 section I tested my Tavor vs my CZ858 on steel. Equal barrel lengths, different caliber. One heavier and slower. The second lighter and much faster. The round from the Tavor 5.56 round went through metal that stopped the 7.62x39 round. Cover vs concealment. Also why you want velocity against body armor or cover and tumbling/fragmentation to avoid going right through a soft target and losing the effectiveness of that velocity.
The Tavor is a good answer for an infantry or general use patrol rifle. The extra velocity is significant. As mentioned look at the energy down range not just velocity at the end of the barrel.
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Ardent
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Very kind of you and thanks Epoxy, I love rifles that reach, even if not purpose built for the task and will stretching the Tavor out to a minimum of 500 in a couple weeks. Have a Leupold Mark AR to play with, will see what it can do out there. I suppose if you're lighting up cardboard on a range inside 100 yards, you're never going to see a difference between a rifle length or short barrel, and in fairness to this thread that is the purpose intended. We use our rifles off range and I see it as a very different implement / tool than the OP would perhaps, have a lot of wolf hunting this winter again and the Tavor is purpose built for the task in my eyes. Used to use my M1A quite successfully but it's awkward, and doesn't balance offhand like a Tavor, and offhand are nearly all the shots. Plus, with AR pistol mags, more on tap for rapidly moving targets. Should be good. So if anyone ever tries to slap the Tavor with "no sporting purpose" I'll build a hell of an argument otherwise.
No worries Ardent. I just wanted to point out to those who don't know that you have a knowledge of bullets/ballistics that many of us don't have.
I currently have my Tavor scoped and sighted in with a 3-9x fullfield 2. Not the best for target use but ample for ammo testing at 100, 200 metres. Blaxsun send me a mix of ammo including heavier stuff to test out for accuracy. I have some time off in a few days and will be doing some accuracy testing.
One thing I noticed while dry firing the Tavor in peeperation for the ammo test. The release when the trigger breaks is pretty violent. Enough so that I noticed the scope jiggle even when in the front bag and using a back bag. No doubt the short support length also contributes to this. Firing off hand however there seems to be enough support points to counter this. This could easily turn a 1.5 Moa gun into a 3 Moa gun on the bench.
I'm a firm believer in trying out a few different things if something doesn't work, Supporting the mag seemed to work instead. The strangest thing though that seemed the most effective. Was a trick some use for the S&W 5946 which has a long heavy 12 lbs DAO trigger. This trick not only worked to counter the snap from the release buy also counters accuracy issues with the heavy trigger. Last qualifications I put all arounds at the diameter of a fist from 25 metres for stage 1 using this technique. I've seen others do the same. So I gave it a try dry firing and it mitigated those two issues. The Tavor isn't a precision bench rifle so sometimes you have to do things a bit differently.
Ardent if you PM me I'll let you know what I found. Maybe it will help. You'll know from dry firing which is inexpensive!
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I currently have my Tavor scoped and sighted in with a 3-9x fullfield 2. Not the best for target use but ample for ammo testing at 100, 200 metres. Blaxsun send me a mix of ammo including heavier stuff to test out for accuracy. I have some time off in a few days and will be doing some accuracy testing.
One thing I noticed while dry firing the Tavor in peeperation for the ammo test. The release when the trigger breaks is pretty violent. Enough so that I noticed the scope jiggle even when in the front bag and using a back bag. No doubt the short support length also contributes to this. Firing off hand however there seems to be enough support points to counter this. This could easily turn a 1.5 Moa gun into a 3 Moa gun on the bench.
I'm a firm believer in trying out a few different things if something doesn't work, Supporting the mag seemed to work instead. The strangest thing though that seemed the most effective. Was a trick some use for the S&W 5946 which has a long heavy 12 lbs DAO trigger. This trick not only worked to counter the snap from the release buy also counters accuracy issues with the heavy trigger. Last qualifications I put all arounds at the diameter of a fist from 25 metres for stage 1 using this technique. I've seen others do the same. So I gave it a try dry firing and it mitigated those two issues. The Tavor isn't a precision bench rifle so sometimes you have to do things a bit differently.
Ardent if you PM me I'll let you know what I found. Maybe it will help. You'll know from dry firing which is inexpensive!
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I was handling one 3 days ago and was contemplating buying one... I liked how it felt (easy to point, weight close to body)... but to be honest, there's been quite a few threads where owners are generally happy, but not overly excited about them... and for $2600 + tax, I was expecting much more positive reviews. I think I will pass, as I've had a string of bad luck with new (read: expensive) rifles that turned out to be disappointments.
Ardent
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I'll be writing a review on a gen 2 for my site in a bit, I am overly excited about it, quite frankly the rifle floored me. The first offhand 100 yard group I shot with it equalled the first rested group I'd shot with it, it handles just incredibly. Granted, by the time I did the offhand group, I was a lot more familiar with the rifle, but I've never shot something offhand that balances so naturally and I can hit grapefruit sized targets with a speed and confidence at 100 I haven't had with any other black rifle. If you have a decade working on the AR as a work tool, you're going to have an awkward transition, but if you're fresh you'll find it perfectly natural.
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If you have the $$$ than keep the Tavor...if not (like me), than sell it and buy something else to try...have some fun with it.
ACR...nuff said
I like the ACR but after handling one I wasn't willing to fork over the money. It feels like they still have work to do to make it a finished product. The version they are making for military use addresses some of those concerns but isn't available to us. Magnesium lower would be cool. I suspect I'll be revisiting the ACR in 5 years but right now I would feel like I was the Beta tester. The Tavor, Swiss Arms and AR have that polished product feel. The ACR to me just doesn't feel like it's there yet.
Rumor has it that they intend to bring the weight down of the civilian model. If this truly is the case I'd have to agree it still feels like it's beta and likely to become more streamlined in the future.
Metal lower would be cool, and the ability to change out the pistol grip would be a slight bonus (but really only personal preference, there's nothing 'wrong' with what's on there).
I've never shot an ACR but I did handle one. Build quality/fit and finish appeared surprisingly good (especially considering Bushmaster's questionable reputation) and it certainly did not feel like an unfinished product. In fact, I'd say it's as good as or better than your average AR. A big downside for me is the weight distribution. The ACR extremely front heavy, even with the 16.5" restricted barrel. Reliability and long-term durability are also uncertain. My guess is that it will be a fiasco like the XCR, though I'd love to be proven wrong.
Ardent
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The lower was my biggest misgiving with the ACR, "Beta version" was an excellent way to describe the feeling I had with it. Neat features, just wasn't all the way there yet for me, and this doesn't mean much as I can't put my finger on exactly what I didn't like about it.
