Is my friend pulling my leg?

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we have friendly shooting contests normally for a case of beer. I stand by my garand, mosin and m14, him by his lee enfields.

he claims to have shot this group: (I wasn't around to verify)

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Six shots fired conseculativley. With no. 4 mark 1 enField At one hundred yards Ppu fmj oh ya got sight figured out
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he claims just front bag, no rear bag

I don't know enfields that well, but every time I've shot his, they've been all over the paper, with sights that require a good 6 -7 inches of hold under.

Is this possible, with a sporterized Lee enfield, at 100 yard with factory (PPU) ammo?

Or did he just shoot this at 25 and wants to rattle me for the next round?
 
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na1lb0hm said:
we have friendly shooting contests normally for a case of beer. I stand by my garand, mosin and m14, him by his lee enfields.

he claims to have shot this group: (I wasn't around to verify)

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with this description :


he claims just front bag, no rear bag

I don't know enfields that well, but every time I've shot his, they've been all over the paper, with sights that require a good 6 -7 inches of hold under.

Is this possible, with a sporterized Lee enfield, at 100 yard with factory (PPU) ammo?

Or did he just shoot this at 25 and wants to rattle me for the next round?
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Tell him to do it again. Lol
 
I've seen groups like that posted by some of the experienced shooters on this site.

So it is possible...

What do his groups look like that you have witnessed?
 
I saw Buffdog shoot a group like that- the first time he shot that particular rifle. He was "trying it out". It was a Swedish mouser. (open iron sights 1000 yrds.) These rifles are certainly capable of it. (So long as the shooter is.)
jan
 
Buy a case of the worst tasting beer you have in Canada or have him shoot the group again.

"IF" you have good young eyes and a Enfield rifle with a good bore that is properly bedded tight groups can be shot. I'm 62 and I only shot groups like that twice in my life with a milsurp with iron sights.

I sure as heck wouldn't give him really good American beer. ;)

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bigedp51 said:
Buy a case of the worst tasting beer you have in Canada or have him shoot the group again.

"IF" you have good young eyes and a Enfield rifle with a good bore that is properly bedded tight groups can be shot. I'm 62 and I only shot groups like that twice in my life with a milsurp with iron sights.

I sure as heck wouldn't give him really good American beer. ;)

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That of which you speak is about as rare as the group the OP showed us.

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bigedp51 said:
Buy a case of the worst tasting beer you have in Canada or have him shoot the group again.

"IF" you have good young eyes and a Enfield rifle with a good bore that is properly bedded tight groups can be shot. I'm 62 and I only shot groups like that twice in my life with a milsurp with iron sights.

I sure as heck wouldn't give him really good American beer. ;)

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The worst tasting beer we have up here is Budweiser...Laugh2
 
na1lb0hm said:
we have friendly shooting contests normally for a case of beer. I stand by my garand, mosin and m14, him by his lee enfields.

he claims to have shot this group: (I wasn't around to verify)

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with this description :


he claims just front bag, no rear bag

I don't know enfields that well, but every time I've shot his, they've been all over the paper, with sights that require a good 6 -7 inches of hold under.

Is this possible, with a sporterized Lee enfield, at 100 yard with factory (PPU) ammo?

Or did he just shoot this at 25 and wants to rattle me for the next round?
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Hmm, a group like this with, let,s say a swedish Mauser is possible, thoses are usually wonderfully accurate. The Lee Enfield is accurate but to make group like that with a sporterized one? I'm not so sure but i have been wrong more than 1 time..... Smellie, Lou, Buffdog, we need experts advices now!:)
Joce
 
twosteam said:
I saw Buffdog shoot a group like that- the first time he shot that particular rifle. He was "trying it out". It was a Swedish mouser. (open iron sights 1000 yrds.) These rifles are certainly capable of it. (So long as the shooter is.)
jan
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That is flattering, but I am not that good.

TWOSTEAM seemed to get an extra "zero" in her distance. SMELLIE, TWOSTEAM and I had a "play day" yesterday, and it was a Swedish MAUSER, not MOUSER, open sights, at 100 yards. The rifle was a very accurate 1912 Carl Gustafs m/96 in the standard Military configuration with issue open rear sight and using one of SMELLIE's 140 grain 6.5x55 accuracy loads.

A dime is about .70 inch or about 3/4 inch. A Quarter is about .94 inch or just under one inch.
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That group was shot exactly as Buffdog has said. It was a called group, 3 rounds from before the first was chambered.

My shooting was all over the place yesterday, but at least the bullets went in the right direction.... more or less. CHF will do that to you. Lose another 50 pounds of water and maybe the ticker will stop pounding and disturbing my damned AIMING!!!!!

The 1905 Ross was great: 102 years old and still a proper ass-kicker!
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As to the group posted by the OP, it IS possible with a Number 4, but certainly not just bang-bang-bang-bang-bang-bang. For one thing, the BARREL would heat up and throw high and, the faster you pumped it, the faster it would heat.

With a good rifle, shooting slowly, allowing cooling time between shots, he MIGHT repeat it....... in which case I want that rifle.

I have a Ross here which will touch its bullet-holes and an SMLE which will do it on occasion (but averages half an inch) but both require flatbase bullets and loads just a little bit mild in order to do it. Partizan ammo is full-house nasty and boat-tails to boot. But it can shoot: my Garand makes teeny-tiny groups with their cheap 180 flatbase loading....... almost as good as this group.

I do have a group as good as this, fired with a P-14 which I own. I didn't fire the group. It was actually fired by Gavin Tait (3 rounds) then 3 by W.J. "Bill" Brown and the rifle was/is scoped. Load was a Hornady 150 Spire Point flatbase seated so the entire cannelure shows, ahead of 40 grains of 4064. Both groups merged and came out well UNDER a quarter at 145 yards. The rifle is definitely shooting to Point of Aim.

It is POSSIBLE.... but not LIKELY.

Excellent shooting no matter what.
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Hmmm, you know your friend and his shooting skills better than we do. Does he get many birdies when he golfs alone;)?

Good benchrest technique involves the use of both a forend and buttstock support to minimize breathing effects and assist with uniform hold, sight picture and trigger pull. Yes, a person can get that kind of accuracy out of a sporterized No4 with high quality handloads - not all ,but a select few. I used to reload for a friend's sportered and scoped No4 and found it to be a pretty consistent MOA shooter with necksized brass and either W760 or H414.

If I was shooting for beer:cheers: I'd want to be there and rule out the use of a ".30 cal pencil" no matter who I was shooting with:eek:.
 
purple said:
Hmmm, you know your friend and his shooting skills better than we do. Does he get many birdies when he golfs alone;)?

Good benchrest technique involves the use of both a forend and buttstock support to minimize breathing effects and assist with uniform hold, sight picture and trigger pull. Yes, a person can get that kind of accuracy out of a sporterized No4 with high quality handloads - not all ,but a select few. I used to reload for a friend's sportered and scoped No4 and found it to be a pretty consistent MOA shooter with necksized brass and either W760 or H414.

If I was shooting for beer:cheers: I'd want to be there and rule out the use of a ".30 cal pencil" no matter who I was shooting with:eek:.
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Well, I've seen him golf, it's not much better than his shooting, which is why claims of a "birdie" ;) would be far-fetched... I took him out for his first time shooting maybe four months ago, helped him purchase his first rifles, taught him basic bench technique, breathing and trigger control.

If I was able to teach him to shoot like that... who wants lessons ?

but I don't think the old .30 pencil came out to play on this one... just that he got the 25 and 100 yard target stands mixed up again, possibly due to his flinch knocking himself silly after he split his lip the first time out with his enfield. Laugh2

He's a good guy, but certainly not getting any beer from me for this group until I'm there in person.

Good to know it is possible, just hardly believable.
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In a shooting competition like this.... as far as I'm concerned, any groups fired in the absence of the other competitor do not count.

A buddy keeps busting my balls for having a few Enfields (particularly the two non-sporterized No4's, he thinks the full wood stocks look goofy). His deer gun is a sporter K98 with a 3-9x scope, I keep telling him I'll shoot a better group at 100 yards with one of my "dirty old Enfields", and he has yet to accept my challenge....

If you're going to talk smack, be prepared to put your money where your mouth is. :)

FWIW, the best I've shot with my '55 No4 Mk2 is about a 2.5" group at 100 yards, but I've only had it to the range a couple times. I just picked up a '43 Long Branch No4 Mk1 but haven't shot it yet, hopefully it does as well... Then I can justify selling the '55 to recoup some of the cost of the LB.

Adam
 
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