is poaching real in your neck of the woods?

dan belisle said:
The BC provincial government sets tag numbers and licenses etc. Yours is an empty valueless dipper argument. - dan
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I seriously doubt that John Horgan, his right-hand-man Geoff Meggs and Minister of the Environment George Heyman get together for coffee Monday mornings and have strategy sessions calculating how to determine game allocations.

Management bios do that.
 
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Commenting because today i found out no limited entry again. Eleven years running.

My cousin's small community of about 400, had lots of complaints about out of town limited entry Moose hunters. How does a community of 400 have any chance of locals getting draws when competing against say Vancouver/fraser valley at 1.4 million.

Previously draws commonly had odds of 1-4, 1-7.8. Every draw this year was 1-70+. Is this because of reduced game numbers, and poaching. Could it be mismanagement. In reality, its that our government gave the allocation to guide/outfitters.

Hungry people will eat. Thousands of regulations, whether its on "assault rifles" or limited entries, simply destroy respect and compliance of the law.
 
Rugdoc said:
I seriously doubt that John Horgan, his right-hand-man Geoff Meggs and Minister of the Environment George Heyman get together for coffee Monday mornings and have strategy sessions calculating how to determine game allocations.

Management bios do that.
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So was it the management bios that killed the grizzly hunt?
 
All the dipper votes are on the left coast..
That's why most of the LEH's go to the coast..
Grizzly hunt ban... just political optics playing to the loonies
 
Rugdoc said:
No, that was a one-off. A campaign promise to end an uncecessary unpopular hunt.

That wasn't day-to-day season to season regular management.
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"most of the LEH's go to the coast"

Of course, that's where the largest number of applicants live.
 
I have found bear carcasses with nothing but the paws and gall bladder removed. Likely to supply the Black Market in Asia for bear galls and paws. Poaching happens in every corner of the planet.
 
Saw a poacher in the ditch on my way home from work the other day. Digging wildflowers. It's so common that I didn't even bother to think about calling it in. Shame on me, I guess.

As for poaching wildlife, it happens. Have had hunters show up on the family farm and tell my widowed mother that her husband had given permission to hunt the pastures. Dad has been dead a couple of years now, and the hunter/guide knew that.

I know that I'll probably have some problems with hunters who want to hunt the family farm, but I have plans to spend time out there this fall. We know that there are spotlighters, but since the law enforcement doesn't show up for a day or two, the neighbours don't bother to call it in.
 
Lionel said:
Saw a poacher in the ditch on my way home from work the other day. Digging wildflowers. It's so common that I didn't even bother to think about calling it in. Shame on me, I guess.


I know that I'll probably have some problems with hunters who want to hunt the family farm, but I have plans to spend time out there this fall. We know that there are spotlighters, but since the law enforcement doesn't show up for a day or two, the neighbours don't bother to call it in.
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This thread gathered traction, an unfortunatly it seems th poaching is well and truely on the agenda in Canada!
which si a bit of a shame, but it is starting to boil down to how Australia simply wont ever combat this and that hunters with genuine interest in the deer/game are the ones who will lose out here.

im like borderline rage quitting due to these #### people poaching and just illegal shooting everything, it just feels like such a minority ofgood people hunting against such amount of careless individuals. an im not happy bout it
 
WhelanLad said:
This thread gathered traction, an unfortunatly it seems th poaching is well and truely on the agenda in Canada!
which si a bit of a shame, but it is starting to boil down to how Australia simply wont ever combat this and that hunters with genuine interest in the deer/game are the ones who will lose out here.

im like borderline rage quitting due to these #### people poaching and just illegal shooting everything, it just feels like such a minority ofgood people hunting against such amount of careless individuals. an im not happy bout it
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I'm reasonably sure in Canada that a large number of poachers have given up trying to do it legally because they're frustrated with a broken game management system. Issuing tags has become a political exercise more than a management one in a lot of areas due to extreme mismanagement of resources by those exempt from the game management system, or by those who don't have any respect for wildlife management/ethics in the first place. Essentially there's people rage quitting the system because of it being broken. As well, those who actually need the food because they're poor are often let down by the system as tags go to those who have money and time to hunt for recreation purposes only, so they tend to take what they need without government consent or approval. Personally I feel like recreational hunting shouldn't actually be allowed in a lot of areas, or tags should be given to residents of an area before those applying from outside the zone. City hunters tend to really flood remote areas causing a shortage of tags for local residents and as a result many local hunters will hunt for food regardless of being drawn for a tag. If they've applied for multiple years and not been issued a tag, some will stop applying and just hunt without government sanction.

Hopefully that articulates a little better the rational behind non government sanctioned hunting in our country for you.
 
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