Is short barrel M305 generally more accurate than regular barrel?

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I seem to remember some discussion about this, that the shorty was actually a little more accurate. Is this true? I am not a fan of shorty rifles (guess I am not a true CGN'r :evil:) but if the long barrel version is less accurate, I would buy a shorty. I am going to buy one of these as a tinker/project gun, and want to know which would be better to start with.
 
i bought a long one,still waiting, i wanted the functional bayo mount the and the longer look, the long barrel should give higher muzzel velocities, as for 18.5 perhaps it has better harmonics? geeez now i need a shorty too....like that wasnt coming already.lol
 
Might as well buy one of each. Conduct your own tests and Report back and let us know what you find. Remember the only sure way to prevent your #### falling off is buying more m14's.

Having said that, I had a full length m305 and just swapped the barrel down to a shortie. I liked the long one but realizing that I didn't need it to act as a spear with a bayonet on it. I really wanted a small light CQB rifle that fits in a trunk and can engage a zombie at 300 yards. You should buy which ever one makes you happier. In the end the velocity difference is only going to be noticeable out past 400-500 yards, and at that point you should consider hand loading your own ammo if you want to remain consistent.
 
Buzzballer said:
Might as well buy one of each. Conduct your own tests and Report back and let us know what you find. Remember the only sure way to prevent your #### falling off is buying more m14's.
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Spoken like a true CGN'r. Of course you are right - for every "which rifle should I get?" question, the only acceptable answer is "both!" :D

Buzzballer said:
Having said that, I had a full length m305 and just swapped the barrel down to a shortie. I liked the long one but realizing that I didn't need it to act as a spear with a bayonet on it. I really wanted a small light CQB rifle that fits in a trunk and can engage a zombie at 300 yards. You should buy which ever one makes you happier. In the end the velocity difference is only going to be noticeable out past 400-500 yards, and at that point you should consider hand loading your own ammo if you want to remain consistent.
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I just got done reading Barney's thoughts on accuracy, as well as another good post on the M14 forum, and I have decided that I must be disciplined and do the simple mods that bring the greatest return (such as the OP Rod Spring Guide), and be happy with the accuracy. Chasing after more and more accuracy will kill my bank account. Either way, I love shooting those rifles (aside from the cost of feeding it) so it is time to get one of my own.
 
I've yet to see anyone prove that they're more accurate, but the theory is sound. The problem with comparing these guns is the fact that the tolerances between the same models are so different. You can have 2 guns from the same factory have all different kinds of defects, but then you get a gem that shoots under 2 inches and pings when you dry fire it.

I'll be getting a shorty here soon, most likely from the batch before the latest with the barrels that flew off, and the batch after the 2009's. I think these were the 2011's? I might be getting confused, but whatever, I'm going to make a pseudo-scout
 
hmmm - Is the batch with the barrels that came off pretty well cleared out now? Or is that generally what is being sold right now?
 
I think they're being proof tested first before being sold now. I remember the barrel on my 2007 was barely even screwed in when I first took it off, so if I get another Norinco I'm probably taking the barrel off before I shoot it just to be sure.
 
And surprisingly, no injuries or lawsuits. Somehow when proof testing was the solution, everyone took a sigh of relief and relaxed in the comfort that these guns were perfectly safe to purchase. Some people even thanked the vendor for looking out for them

lol

Sometimes I wish I had a stupid translator, so I could communicate with people and explain how anything short of a full recall is shockingly irresponsible
 
I just got done reading Barney's thoughts on accuracy, as well as another good post on the M14 forum, and I have decided that I must be disciplined and do the simple mods that bring the greatest return (such as the OP Rod Spring Guide), and be happy with the accuracy. Chasing after more and more accuracy will kill my bank account. Either way, I love shooting those rifles (aside from the cost of feeding it) so it is time to get one of my own.[/QUOTE]


After chasing accuracy on the m14's for a while, and not to the extent some others around here have. There seems to be two ways to go about building these rifles.

If your really concerned with accuracy, be prepared to spend money buying a match grade custom barrel and a new bolt. Those are by far the biggest gains you can get. But that is going to cost you about $800 or so. Or buy a Remington 700 for $700 and out of the box you will have better luck hitting little things far away.

Or buy a m305, attend one of hungrys clinics and talk with every one there. Do some accurasizing your self, replace the ops spring, spring guide and atleast the rear iron sight* if yours like many just does not work* and spend the rest of your money on ammo and doing fun custom work to it. On the m14 clinics guys manage to hit a figure 11 target at 600 yards with Chinese ammo and iron sights. Treat the rifle for what it is, not try and throw money at it untill it's some thing that it's not. ;)
 
Buy a shorty! You will love it. I am in love with my shorty Norc that I took across the country, it's a great little rifle! Now you want accuracy? I've had success doing up Krieger Hvy NM barrels and also Douglas Heavy NM barreled rigs and they pounded bullets into dimes and nickels with boring regularity! :D

For that price you get git yerself a truly fine precision rig with fantastic optics. The weakness of the M14 platform as a Precision Rifle is the trigger, it's a battle trigger; get over it! :eek:

Personally, if you want accuracy speak to Mystic Player or Juanvaldez or Guntech or Casey at Tac Ordnance or Doug at Ellwood Epps or Keith at Milcun or Rob McLennan in Wyevale, or Ted Gaillard (I'm getting tired of typing now....) :) All these and many more builders can put together a prized accuracy rig for you! This board is full of accurate rifle builders, many of whom are not at the tip of my tongue right now.

Barney
 
Rocket Surgery said:
I think they're being proof tested first before being sold now. I remember the barrel on my 2007 was barely even screwed in when I first took it off, so if I get another Norinco I'm probably taking the barrel off before I shoot it just to be sure.
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I bought mine from Rodger @ DARK in 2007 and he always disassembled, cleaned , re-assembled, and test fired every M 14s he sold. It was my first gun and for a bit more $ than some were selling for, I figured that was the best way to go for me. Hungry had a good look at it and confirmed it was a very good one indeed, nothing needed any extra attention and everything was correct. Last I heard, Rodger wasn't selling the M 14s anymore.
 
Hungry said:
Buy a shorty! You will love it. I am in love with my shorty Norc that I took across the country, it's a great little rifle! Now you want accuracy? I've had success doing up Krieger Hvy NM barrels and also Douglas Heavy NM barreled rigs and they pounded bullets into dimes and nickels with boring regularity! :D

For that price you get git yerself a truly fine precision rig with fantastic optics. The weakness of the M14 platform as a Precision Rifle is the trigger, it's a battle trigger; get over it! :eek:

Personally, if you want accuracy speak to Mystic Player or Juanvaldez or Guntech or Casey at Tac Ordnance or Doug at Ellwood Epps or Keith at Milcun or Rob McLennan in Wyevale, or Ted Gaillard (I'm getting tired of typing now....) :) All these and many more builders can put together a prized accuracy rig for you! This board is full of accurate rifle builders, many of whom are not at the tip of my tongue right now.

Barney
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Barney, do these barrels come in "18.5 ? do they have the same barrel profile as USGI to accept a SAI scout mount?
 
These shortys seem to be a tad fatter around the barrel contour depending upon which high school shop class did the barrel profiling. I don't say that in jest, I mean high school shop class because I AM a high school teacher and the Norinco Plinko stinko QC is goofy. YMMV.... :D

Does this help much?

Barney
 
I bet your class would work for $6.00 / hour and churn out m14's all day for you. I did some work for the school when I was a kid in the computer labs because well, they knew they couldn't stop me from partitioning every other computer and installing a Linux server on the business computers so why not pay the kid to clean the mouse balls and keyboards

makes sense rite
 
Hungry said:
These shortys seem to be a tad fatter around the barrel contour depending upon which high school shop class did the barrel profiling. I don't say that in jest, I mean high school shop class because I AM a high school teacher and the Norinco Plinko stinko QC is goofy. YMMV.... :D

Does this help much?

Barney
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Sorry I was refering to the Krieger and Douglas barrels which you sell.
 
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