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leohui

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Hi everyone,

Just a question about shotgun. I bought a Dominion 12.5" shotgun barrel. If I put it on a factory Remington 870 Express, is that legal? Is that barrel changing considered "alter"? If so, I'm afraid I can't do that because the overall length will be under legal requirement.

Any idea?

Thanks.
 
I'm pretty sure as long as overall length when you can fire the shotgun is greater than 660mm, it's fine if the barrel came that length from the manufacturer. For example, you cannot saw down an 18.5 inch Remington Factory barrel to 12.5 inches and put that on your express.

Not a legal expert, but that's my understanding...
 
leohui said:
Hi everyone,

Just a question about shotgun. I bought a Dominion 12.5" shotgun barrel. If I put it on a factory Remington 870 Express, is that legal? Is that barrel changing considered "alter"? If so, I'm afraid I can't do that because the overall length will be under legal requirement.

Any idea?

Thanks.
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Legal matters are always best to know firsthand yourself and have the correct legal definition/information with your firearms at all times.

Regarding your question in particular however, provided the barrel is a factory manufactured barrel and has not been shortened in any way (even by a gunsmith) and the rifle still remains longer then 26", then yes pertaining to this style of firearm you mention the rifle would be non-prohibited/non-restricted.

Like always when getting advice/information from the net, refer to my first sentence to cover your a$$ regarding the boys in blue.

Many CGN'ers myself included will carry the correct firearms regulations with their firearm(s) just in case there is ever a misunderstanding with an officer of the law; so that any charges and/or confiscation can be avoided because legal fee's generally are not covered by the magistrate even if you win in court and are acquitted of all charges.

Nothing wrong with asking a question here to get some advice or to lead you in the right direction regarding regulations etc., but as mentioned earlier it's best (and really necessary) that you take the time to fully understand all Canadian Firearm Regulations regarding any and all firearms in your possession.

Cheers D
 
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pretty sure you can cut a bolt or lever rifle to 18 inches but shotguns and semi centerfires to 18.5. Canada at its best. (could be wrong on this)
 
This is correct. According to the regs, 18 inches is the minimum you can cut to for non-semi auto centerfire rifles and shotguns, 18.5 is the minimum for semi-auto. That .5 of an inch makes ALL the difference, you know - it takes an otherwise non-restricted modern sporting rifle into the realm of ultra deadly death machine weapon of mass destruction. So say the Libtards anyway.
 
leohui said:
Hi everyone,

Just a question about shotgun. I bought a Dominion 12.5" shotgun barrel. If I put it on a factory Remington 870 Express, is that legal? Is that barrel changing considered "alter"? If so, I'm afraid I can't do that because the overall length will be under legal requirement.

Any idea?

Thanks.
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I think the best advice that could be offered here is; don't ask for legal advice on CGN. Call your CFO, or a firearms lawyer, or search out your answer in the laws regs.

If you follow someone's advice here and end up getting busted with a restricted or prohibited firearm that you thought was NR, what are you going to tell the officer, crown or judge? "Well, gee... some guy on the interweb told me it was ok!" Do you think the person here that gave you the advice will cover your legal bills, support your family and pay your mortgage while you're in jail? Nope.

It's one thing to ask people for their opinions here, but please... don't follow any advice you get on here without verifying it.

Good luck.
 
c.t.smith said:
pretty sure you can cut a bolt or lever rifle to 18 inches but shotguns and semi centerfires to 18.5. Canada at its best. (could be wrong on this)
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Longarm9 said:
This is correct. According to the regs, 18 inches is the minimum you can cut to for non-semi auto centerfire rifles and shotguns, 18.5 is the minimum for semi-auto. That .5 of an inch makes ALL the difference, you know - it takes an otherwise non-restricted modern sporting rifle into the realm of ultra deadly death machine weapon of mass destruction. So say the Libtards anyway.
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Not exactly right on either point.

If you cut a rifle/shotgun barrel below 18 inches the barrel is prohibited.

A barrel less than 18.5 inches (470mm) on a semi auto will make the gun restricted.

Cutting the barrel on a manual action rifle down to 18 is fine for NR as long as overall length is still greater than 26 inches.

Barrels purpose manufactured under 18 inches are fine. You just can't cut barrels to under 18 inches and OAL rules still apply.

Doesn't matter what long gun you have, don't cut the barrel below 18 inches.
 
Best be careful when "sawing off" ............. best place to look is in the Act and Regulation.

But here is a quote from the Student Manual - Canadian Firearms Safety Course - 2014:

Prohibited Firearms
In general, individuals cannot acquire the types of firearms that fall into the prohibited class. Depending on the nature of their duties, employees of business and carriers, and public officers (police or peace officer, firearms officer, prescribed employee of a federal, provincial or municipal government) may possess prohibited firearms. The following are examples of prohibited firearms:
• Handguns with a barrel length equal to or less than 105 mm (4⅛ inches);
• Handguns designed or adapted to discharge a 25- or 32-calibre cartridge (Any of the above-noted handguns are not prohibited firearms if they are used in competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Sport Federation and prescribed by regulation.);
• “Sawed-off” rifles or “sawed-off” shotguns less than 660 mm (26 inches) in length;
• “Sawed-off” rifles or “sawed-off” shotguns 660 mm (26 inches) or greater in length and have barrel lengths of less than 457 mm (18 inches);
• An automatic firearm;
• Any firearm that is prescribed by regulation to be a prohibited firearm.

Sounds to me that cutting the barrel can change the firearm from non-restricted straight to prohibited
 
johr4 said:
Sounds to me that cutting the barrel can change the firearm from non-restricted straight to prohibited
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Again, only if overall length when cut is below 26 inches, or when the barrel itself is cut below 18 inches.

In the case of a semi auto, you can cut barrels down to 18 inches, but below 18.5 (470mm) but greater than 18 inches and the semi auto will become restricted.
 
guess_kto said:
What's the point? Guns origionally designed for 32 and 25 will stay prohibited.
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Pistols/handguns in 25acp and 32acp are prohibited, not "guns". And no they won't stay prohibited. They can be rebarreled to other calibres such as 32acp being turned into 380acp and made restricted. Simple barrel swap on some guns.

Its done most often with 32acp browning pistol by installing a 380 barrel. Drops right in with no gunsmithing required. Simple verification results in status changing to restricted as long as the barrel exceeds 105mm.
 
Can some one point me to rcmp forms that basically say that if its factory its legal because I'm making a stupid silly short 50 with the help of atrs that no factory would ever make and i don't wont to be caught with a "prohib" on account that most cops or even rcmp don't know the law.
 
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