Is that people have become crazy ???

Do you think the sellers are asking too much for their lee enfield these days ???

  • YES

    Votes: 88 80.0%
  • NO

    Votes: 22 20.0%

  • Total voters
    110

ben777lemay

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Is that people have become crazy ??? I saw an ad today :

Definitely a shooter, not a collector. Bolt is non-matching (from a No.IV, I think), bore is very good, and it comes with 2 SMLE 10rd mags.
Rifle was parkerized some time in the past. Bore, bolt face, and wood G-VG. Great little rifle $550 OBO.

And this ad is just an exemple... Nothing personal against this guy. There is many ads like that !!!

After seeing the M1 Garand have more than doubled in price in just a year or two :ang, now it is the turn of Enfields ???

Is it me who is crazy? :confused:
 
Not just you. I've noticed a dramatic price increase in all types of Enfields and I'm not even in the market for one. It's not like they're exactly rare or uncommon so I don't understand it. There's no crates of surplus .303 so shooters must either be using factory loads at $25/box or handloading, both of which tend to turn the masses off so generally it's period collectors looking for these guns.

Last time I bought Enfields I think I was paying $200-300 for an excellent example. I don't consider these to be $500 guns unless they're mint, unfired and never issued. Even then I'd be more happy with a good condition shooter for $250 and some ammo over a flawless safe queen.
 
Definitly so. I really laugh at the guys who have sporter enfields and ask 300+ for them, and I am not talking the Parker Hale or Churchhill Sporters ones either.

There are still some sane guys out there. In the last month I have seen quite a few good looking SMLE's and No4 for for the $350-$400 range.
 
I've been looking for an nice full wood Enfield for awhile but I find that the prices are turning me off. People are asking the same money for beaters as clean matching originals! I'll get one one day but for now I'll enjoy my #'s matching mint $100 Sporter. It's missing some wood but it sure doesnt affect it's accuracy!

At the end of the day I guess if people are willing to pay $500 for a mismatched run of the mill Enfield then that's what they're worth! Otherwise, they won't sell and eventually the prices will go down.
 
Why worry about it? Less competition for those of us who are more reasonable and perhaps have a better product to sell. In fact, the more silly prices there are, the better ours look. More power to em I say! :dancingbanana:
 
Why worry about it? Less competition for those of us who are more reasonable and perhaps have a better product to sell. In fact, the more silly prices there are, the better ours look. More power to em I say! :dancingbanana:

Ok, Surplus guns, generally they are not being made anymore... so, now it is Supply AND Demand, not just supply. Before Saving Private Ryan hit the big screen, M-1 Garands were $250-$500 guns. They went up to a thousand or so and never came back down. There has since been Band Of Brothers, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, The Pacific, ect. "I saw it on TV so I want it!" "Dad used it in the war, I want on!", the reasons go on and on. There was a supplier back east in Toronto after the first World War, he bough surplus Lee Enfield and had THOUSANDS of them. They slowly sold off. Toronto = Cold winters. So, cut the top half of the fore stock off, remove the hand-guard and call it a sporter! WRONG The sporter was a bonus, he burned the wood to heat the place because it was paid for!

How many Lee Enfields were made? (17,000,000 world wide total - No1 Mk1- L42)
How many were sporterized? (LOTS)
How many are left in original condition? (Not 17,000,000)
How many are left on the open market? (No where near 17,000,000)
How many people want to buy them and are looking for them? (More than the market can bare)
How Many Lee Enfields were damaged, destroyed or lost in all the war that saw their use? (Some where between a few and a ton)
How Many Lee Enfields are in Canada? England? Australia? Africa? India? Pakistan? ect?

What would the cost be to produce a Lee Enfield BRAND NEW today (WITHOUT cost cuts with plastics, ect)? MORE than a $500 per gun

A Lee Enfield, for quality of craftsmanship is on par with Sako, Tikka, Remington, Whincester, ect.

"perhaps have a better product to sell" the perhaps should be in capitals. The military rifles of yesterday had the highest quality of craftsmanship even by todays standards. Krag Rifle (European and American) were entirely hand fitted, and it shows. The bolt of a Krag Rifle is THE SMOOTHEST bolt action EVER produced!
Lee Enfields from 1888-1924 were Hand Fitted and are yet again almost the smoothest bolt actions ever made. The 1903 Springfield built from 1903-1940 at Springfield Armory and Rock Island Armory were of the highest quality of military bolt action rifles EVER made. The Mauser patented Mauser action rifles (most notable those from GERMANY) have severed in every major war in this century and the last century and is to this date STILL the definitive action for high quality hunting rifles.

What is an M-1 Garand worth? Well Condition is everything! Was is a Brand new Garand worth? i don't know.... what was the last price you saw on a Springfield M1A? (hehehe oh by the way, my Garand holds LEGALLY 3 more round than your M-14/M1A)

Hey, guess what, the average (non-chinese copy) AR-15 starts off at..... dun dun duh $1200. M-1 = $1000, 1903 Springfield $750, Lee Enfield (Full Wood) $450, Gew98 $750, K98K $400.... all these are of WOOD and METAL!

My wood stock might swell, your plastic stock will break in half from a good hit in extreme temperatures.

Why does a 1957 Corvette cost so much? THEY ARE MAKING THEM ANY MORE, THERE ARE LESS AROUND AND THERE ARE COLLECTIBLE!
Same with collectible guns of yesterday.

Oh, by the way, most of my Collectors, I can take them to a friends house and not need a transport permit. Can you do the same with your $1000 and up Black Guns? Some yes, most NOPE!

And one last this, My collection when put on display once a year will always get more attention than your modern guns because, the modern guns we see ALL THE TIME! When was the last time you saw a USMC 1952 MC1 Sniper? Seeings they made roughly 1000.... I would guess you haven't but I have been wrong before.
 
ben777lemay , please keep in mind, even if you (Personally) were able to buy a mint Garand for $500, and decided to sell it, first thing you would do is check and see what the going rate is and try to get that much for it. How many Garands do you come across? How many people are looking for them? All it take for pricing to go up is someone who is MORE willing than you to buy something to offer that much more just to get it.

I had a guy offer me straight up $5,000 for my 1903A4. Great, I sell it for $5,000, what now? He has been looking for one and couldn't find one for $5,000 or less. no, I keep the 03A4 because there are so few of them. Garands, there are more of them yes. Enough for everyone who wants one? No. I have 3 Garands, A mid war Springfield, and Early Korean War H&R, and A Early WW2 Springfield converted by the USMC to the 1952 MC1 Sniper. The Mid WW2 Springfield is mint, and I paid accordingly. The Sniper, I got lucky on.

Keep looking, don't give up. It sounds wrong to say, but some times it is a matter of waiting till an old Collector dies and he collection come up for sale. Yes, prices are going up, some people have STUPID pricing. I have seen Israeli K98K in 308 start at $400 and get out of hand at over $1000! It was a competition of stupidity! Mine is better, no mine is better and Mine is even better than those 2!
 
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I've been looking for an nice full wood Enfield for awhile but I find that the prices are turning me off. People are asking the same money for beaters as clean matching originals! I'll get one one day but for now I'll enjoy my #'s matching mint $100 Sporter. It's missing some wood but it sure doesnt affect it's accuracy!

At the end of the day I guess if people are willing to pay $500 for a mismatched run of the mill Enfield then that's what they're worth! Otherwise, they won't sell and eventually the prices will go down.

A mint sporter?:D
 
Vote with your wallet, but every minty longbranch that appears on the EE these days seems to disappear in 30 seconds with $800+ asking prices. My last Enfield was an unissued No.4Mk1 BSA (1942 mfgr) I got from P&S that had been in storage since it was made. It's as perfect as a WW2 No.4 can get from that manufacturer. I would NOT sell it now for the $400 I paid for it a couple years ago. Your mileage may vary, but enough guys are willing to pay those prices to reduce the rest of you to whining paupers. I hear the same junk about people moaning abotu the price of Keltec RFB's, Noveske AR15's, Swiss Arms rifles, and oodles of other stuff that is cheaper somewhere else in the world. If you think you can do better, locate some nice surplus No.4's abroad, fund the import and have at 'er. Good luck with that.
 
Ugh, this poll serves to remind me of the mint Longbranch No.4 my brother had & that he offered me about 10 years ago... I turned him down & only nowadays realize that I should have snapped it up, if only to keep it in the family!

Ugh...

And yes, I think the prices being asked for certain Enfields is ridiculous, if you can find them cheaper let me know!

Cheers
Jay
 
I hear the same junk about people moaning abotu the price of Keltec RFB's, Noveske AR15's, Swiss Arms rifles, and oodles of other stuff that is cheaper somewhere else in the world. If you think you can do better, locate some nice surplus No.4's abroad, fund the import and have at 'er. Good luck with that.

I don't have to import them somewhere else in the world... I will not buy one here on CGN, that's it !!! :yingyang:

Lets throw in the AIA Enfield... How someone can pay 550$ for a non-collectible enfield shooter when you just spend 150$ more and have an almost brand new AIA enfield in .308 that cost less to shoot and probably outperform most of the old .303's.
It just suck AIA stopped to make these rifles... Now the prices will go up too even if they are not cellectibles... You see that's insane !!!
 
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The sporters I see out there are skyrocketing in the asking price. But are they selling? I see cut down, drilled receivers, mismatched going for $300. A collector wouldn't buy it. A hunter can get a Parker Hale version for less, so they sit. I don't want to pay more than 125 for a sporter and that had best be complete. There are still a lot out there, you just have to look.
As for the full wood, it's whatever the market will bare. Parts for rebuilds are getting a bit harder to find and the asking price on places like Ebay are going up. Some of the main parts suppliers like Numrich and Marstar have shorter lists of parts than they used to. Try to find lower band sling swivels or milled butt swivel assemblies. I'll easily have $300 into a rebuild. If I can get $400, it just pays for my hobby.
Bottom line, if you don't like the price, don't buy it. I don't
 
A No5 in VG-Ex remained unsold at a large gunshow last week southern ON, $350.

And yet, yesterday AM there was one in the EE for $360 shipped and it sold in MINUTES!! I was the first viewer, went to the kitchen to pour myself a drink (c'mon, transmission in the car blew up Thursday and have no cash to spare), the ad was gone within the day.
 
mcpherson284: Not all people who buy military surplus rifles are stupid.

kjohn, that is not what I said, nor what I meant. The people I see as being stupid are the ones that try to say they are not worth what the going rate is, and yet those same people will try to sell the same surplus guns for the going rate plus some if the gun was given to them. It was stupid of buddy to claim that todays guns are better quality. The only thing that is better today is the quality in barrel machining. the reason for the pre 64 model 70 and model 94 is they were loosing money for the amount of work put into them. In quality if work, the FN49 is by todays standards a $2000-$3000 gun. The Winchesters seem to reflect this, while most people, collectors and shooters a like just see surplus.
 
I got into the collecting hobby about 6 years ago, and in comparing the prices I have paid over the years for milsurps, they will go nowhere but up. I consider them a good investment as well as a whole lot 'o fun!
 
Each to his own. I wouldn't go across the road to watch a football game or hockey game, but I wouldn't write a big long post on a sports forum about how ridiculous it was for others to pay a high price for a ticket. When I was much younger, I passed up a Johnson rifle because I couldn't come up with the $350. To me, I just couldn't justify spending that much on one rifle. Bringing everything forward to today's dollar, I probably wouldn't spend $3500 on one. I have no pat answer to the"high" prices for less than "collector grade" rifles. The money is available, that's apparent.
 
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