Is the GAMO Whisper legal in Canada?

Not quite accurate info above...

According to the FRT (as of this morning)...

Reference No: 127635 X

Make: Gamo
Serial Numbering: Numbered
Model: Whisper
Country: SPAIN
Manufacturer: Industrias El Gamo
Type: Rifle Legal
Classification: Non-Restricted (see Additional Notes)
Action: Air,Spring or Gas

ADDITIONAL NOTES:
- as it left the factory, this firearm is equipped with an integral sound suppressor/silencer. The sound suppressor is subject to the definition of "Prohibited Device" in "Part III/Firearms and Other Weapons" of Section 84 of the Criminal Code of Canada.
- when the sound suppressor/silencer (prohibited device) is removed from the firearm it would be correctly identified as a "Non Restricted Firearm".

Listings...
FRT#127635-1 177 PELLET 1 457 Manufacturer Specifications and Commercial Customization Prohibited CC 84(1) "prohibited device" para. (c)
FRT#127635-2 22 PELLET 1 457 Manufacturer Specifications and Commercial Customization Prohibited CC 84(1) "prohibited device" para. (c)

The info shown above is straight from the FRT page. Only way to make this gun a "non-restricted" is to remove the suppressor/silencer (Prohibited Device). The FRT doesn't actually show an complete FRT that isn't classified as Prohibited. A new FRT child entry would be required, listed as a non-commercial custization, without the suppressor, and then it could be registered that way as a non-restricted.

Not sure how the guy that sold the gun to Doug registered it but there appears to be a problem with that registration filing.

Mark
 
NRA4Life said:
I'm curious about idontknowjack's source of information/experience regarding this situation... I see airguns with "recoil-compensators" in Canadian Tire, just not the Whisper... What's up with that?
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Recoil compensators do not reduce the report. Same as a muzzle brake. It would be interesting to see if the CFC would register the whisper to a new owner. My bet is they won't. Call the CFC and see if they can be brought in. Although, from all reports of the whisper, I would be looking for something else. Apparently the 'silencer' is a gimmick, and doesn't lower the report. They may have a ruling on this particular model call and find out. See if it can be verified for import. No Canadian dealers sell them because of this that I'm aware of.

The problem with a silencer that is 'removable' is, it can also be re-installed later. Same reason the Airforce Talon SS and the Marauder isn't allowed here.
 
You missed my sub-text. :-/

idontknowjack said:
Recoil compensators do not reduce the report. Same as a muzzle brake. It would be interesting to see if the CFC would register the whisper to a new owner. My bet is they won't. Call the CFC and see if they can be brought in. Although, from all reports of the whisper, I would be looking for something else. Apparently the 'silencer' is a gimmick, and doesn't lower the report. They may have a ruling on this particular model call and find out. See if it can be verified for import. No Canadian dealers sell them because of this that I'm aware of.

The problem with a silencer that is 'removable' is, it can also be re-installed later. Same reason the Airforce Talon SS and the Marauder isn't allowed here.
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I am aware of the fact that true recoil compensators don't reduce the report of a gun firing... I was attempting to imply that perhaps GAMO and other compressed-air rifle manufacturers somehow eluded the spirit of the law by calling their barrel-tip devices something else ;-) despite the fact that I can't imagine an air-rifle needing or benefiting from any such thing UNLESS it principally diminished the report.
 
NRA4Life said:
I am aware of the fact that true recoil compensators don't reduce the report of a gun firing... I was attempting to imply that perhaps GAMO and other compressed-air rifle manufacturers somehow eluded the spirit of the law by calling their barrel-tip devices something else ;-) despite the fact that I can't imagine an air-rifle needing or benefiting from any such thing UNLESS it principally diminished the report.
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It doesn't matter what they call it. If it reduces the report it's prohibited. Case closed. My HPA airguns are louder than a .22LR and I would love to put a silencer on them. Not saying I like the laws, just have to follow them...

There are muzzle brakes that actually work quite efficiently by directing the air blast up so as to push the muzzle down actually compensating for the recoil by stripping the following air and directing it back and up. These are legal as they do not reduce the report.
 
Down in buffalo for a wedding two weeks back and they had these on sale for $139 at Dicks Spoting goods. The non silenced one (wildcat? big cat?) was only $99, and I was ready to do the paperwork dance to get it across the border but: "we're going to be late for the wedding"... Yes dear.V:I:

Hear's a link:
h ttp://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3982154&cp=4406646.4413993.4414427.4414435

Note the disclaimer at the bottom banning sales to silencer free states and Canada... wait a minute... it says they can't sell it to people in New York! I was in Buffalo, NY!? Weird. Maybe shipping laws.

anyway, if you read the comments from customers below the disclaimer, you'll see that it does reduce the sound - but it's a far cry from the hollywood "Pfft" buyers are expecting.

Meh, I think this one's ###ier anyway: http://usa.stoegerairguns.com/products/stoeger_x20s_airgun.php
 
kodiakjack wrote:

it says they can't sell it to people in New York!

I think they mean New York City, seems to recall from somewhere airguns are banned in New York City, you can't even buy a Daisy BB gun there.
 
When I was down in the states one of the neighbourhood kids (where I was staying) had a Gamo whisper...that thing definitely wasn't silent by any stretch...sounded more like a .22LR. It was pretty darn cool looking and fairly inexpensive...I thought about getting one for my youngest son until I found out it would be prohib based on (my opinion) the next to useless suppressor on it (that can't be removed). I believe it was rated at about 900+ ft/s for the .22 version. Anyhow, got him a Crosman Phantom (sub 500ft/s) from Walmart ( in Canada) and he's loving it.
 
If it suppresses the sound in the barrel the RCMP will not approve it for sale, regardless if it avoids any current CCC or FA law/regulation.
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All suppressors are prohibited devices if they lower the report. Airgun or not.
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Airsoft silencers are legal. I see them all over the place.


It doesn't matter what they call it. If it reduces the report it's prohibited. Case closed.
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Subsonic ammo reduces a firearm's report and it isn't prohibited.

Target rifle Bloop Tubes reduce a firearm's report and they aren't prohibited.

Range berms reduce a firearm's report (from outside the range) and they aren't prohibited.


The problem with our law is that it is ridiculously vague and so can be twisted to mean lots of different things depending on a person's point of view. There is nothing in the law that specifies a silencer has to be attached to a firearm to be considered a silencer.

I don't suspect any of you are a provincial prosecutor or are a supreme court judge so I think maybe you ought to consider not making such black and white proclimations about a law which you clearly do not understand.
 
There where a few of these air guns imported into canada before
the RCMP fat ass's got their panties all in a knot and banned them.
I saw a few for sale somewhere 2-3 years ago.
 
They're $100 apiece at Cabela's in Lacy OR yesterday.Looks mostly like plastic to me..................Harold
 
As set out in the Firearms Act, "firearm" means "a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person" which currently is not being interpreted to include airsofts. So a silencer on an airsoft wouldn't be an issue as an airsoft is not a firearm.

"prohibited device" means
(a) any component or part of a weapon, or any accessory for use with a weapon, that is prescribed to be a prohibited device,
...
(c) a device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle or stop the sound or report of a firearm,
...

If something just happened to muffle the sound of a firearm but wasn't designed or intended to do that, then it shouldn't be prohibited.
 
Likely will now that you've advertised ownership............I guess the barrel could be shortened to remove the baffles?
 
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