Is the Mosin Nagant M91/30 Sniper that tradex sells a reproduction scope?

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Thinking about picking up a Mosin Nagant M91/30 Sniper rifle, as i've seen a couple lately that have caught my eye.

Notably, tradex has them up for $795, but at this price am I to assume the scope etc are reproductions?

What on this rifle would be original? and what would be reproduction?

What kind of price range would an all original go for?

Thanks for the help.
 
avroe said:
Thinking about picking up a Mosin Nagant M91/30 Sniper rifle, as i've seen a couple lately that have caught my eye.

Notably, tradex has them up for $795, but at this price am I to assume the scope etc are reproductions?

What on this rifle would be original? and what would be reproduction?

What kind of price range would an all original go for?

Thanks for the help.
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Yes the scope and mount are repro. The rifle itself is regular m91/30 refurb. Collector Source have 1 original listed at 2495$.....ouch! A repro is a very good alternative, they are well put together. If you want 1 with laminated stock, Westrifle have beautiful ones and Frontier too i think.

cheers,Jocelyn
 
It's the going rate for a repro, yes. If you want a real one, there are some restored ex-snipers floating around wearing real mounts and scopes, but expect to pay in the $1500 range.
 
You can put your own scope and mount (repro) for 260 bucks from Westrifle of you already have your own Mosin. Several hundred dollar savings from already made prices. I have not done this, but have thought about it.
 
fiddler said:
You can put your own scope and mount (repro) for 260 bucks from Westrifle of you already have your own Mosin. Several hundred dollar savings from already made prices. I have not done this, but have thought about it.
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Is that literally all that's involved? Has anyone opted to do this instead?
 
No, that is NOT what is involved. You need to either have a proper template or another example to examine to reasonably approximate the right spot on the receiver for the install. Then you need to have a proper (ie. not a cheap jobmate) drill press or mill to drill the necessary pin holes and then use the mount as a template to drill the screw holes.

All the while you have to make sure the mount is not canted out of parallel with the bore.

After you have done this, you need to inlet the stock for the mount and re-assemble the rifle.

Next you go to the range with a set of fine files. You adjust the windage by filing the foot at the back of the rings where they engage the mount to adjust windage.

You also need some relatively difficult to source taps if you go with original spec screws as they are an odd metric size as I recall, but it's been a few years since I did one.

In general, unless you are experienced at drilling and tapping rifle receivers, I would not recommend doing this yourself in the basement.
 
I'm worried I'm gonna spend 700 bucks and repo sniper and end up with a lame duck that doesn't group. I wish the vendors would test em out. I realize that it's not practical to expect this. But I'd feel good about knowing it's gonna group. Sorry for hijack.
 
svt1940 said:
Not now i think but severals years ago, i bought a excellent refurb M91/30 but since he came from the U.S, was already import stamped:mad: Shame because the rifle is very very nice inside and out.
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I also picked up a 91/30 with import marks. Sad thing is that this rifle was all matching numbers. Shameful that it was desicrated with import marks. I haven't seen any other stuff with import marks except for a short little stint a few years ago. Ghost, I understand your reservation about getting a sniper that doesn't group well. I think most people have had good experiences with the repros so far. I have yet to hear any one post that a repro shot poorly,etc..
 
ghostntheshell said:
I'm worried I'm gonna spend 700 bucks and repo sniper and end up with a lame duck that doesn't group. I wish the vendors would test em out. I realize that it's not practical to expect this. But I'd feel good about knowing it's gonna group. Sorry for hijack.
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I didnt have the time to try my repro sniper that i got fews weeks ago, but i dont worry, the bore is excellent and i checked alls the actions screws so i think that the should shoot well. If they have very good bore they should shoot great and ammo is also a factor to consider. I hope to discover soon:)
 
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Claven2 said:
No, that is NOT what is involved.....


In general, unless you are experienced at drilling and tapping rifle receivers, I would not recommend doing this yourself in the basement.
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While its not something you would use a cordless drill for, its not really that complicated either. I'm a tradesman and my neighbor is a machinist, we've done this before with other rifles and it doesn't really take that long with the correct tools, but I've not however, done this with a Mosin.
 
fiddler said:
but I've not however, done this with a Mosin.
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Exactly.

The receiver sidewall is round and placement is very important or you will run out of elevation adjustment bringing the scope onto target. Windage can be corrected somewhat when you fit the rings, but NOT elevation. Also, for eye relief it is important you position the mount exactly where the originals were along the receiver, so either take measurements off another rifle or have someone do so and pass the info to you.

Finally, you do need some woodworking skills to inlet the cutout.

PS: I'm a mechanical engineer and also run a small machine shop in my spare time. I don't consider properly mounting a PU scope setup to be a "home project" for most people. Some have the skills, most don't. Problem too is most ppl don't realize that until too late.

We also have not touched on bolt modification. Unless you have decent welding skills, this is also not for the timid. To do the job properly you also need access to a lathe with a ball turner attachment and an oxy-acetylene torch.
 
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Claven2 said:
Exactly.

The receiver sidewall is round and placement is very important or you will run out of elevation adjustment bringing the scope onto target. Windage can be corrected somewhat when you fit the rings, but NOT elevation. Also, for eye relief it is important you position the mount exactly where the originals were along the receiver, so either take measurements off another rifle or have someone do so and pass the info to you.

Finally, you do need some woodworking skills to inlet the cutout.

PS: I'm a mechanical engineer and also run a small machine shop in my spare time. I don't consider properly mounting a PU scope setup to be a "home project" for most people. Some have the skills, most don't. Problem too is most ppl don't realize that until too late.

We also have not touched on bolt modification. Unless you have decent welding skills, this is also not for the timid. To do the job properly you also need access to a lathe with a ball turner attachment and an oxy-acetylene torch.
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:agree: With the very nice repro we can have, i dont think its worth the trouble getting a rifle, a scope kit,the bend bolt and the rifle must be high wall type. Even with all the tools, its a delicate job. my 2 cents is better buying a nice repro with very good-excellent bore.
 
Claven2 said:
Exactly.

The receiver sidewall is round and placement is very important or you will run out of elevation adjustment bringing the scope onto target. Windage can be corrected somewhat when you fit the rings, but NOT elevation. Also, for eye relief it is important you position the mount exactly where the originals were along the receiver, so either take measurements off another rifle or have someone do so and pass the info to you.

Finally, you do need some woodworking skills to inlet the cutout.

PS: I'm a mechanical engineer and also run a small machine shop in my spare time. I don't consider properly mounting a PU scope setup to be a "home project" for most people. Some have the skills, most don't. Problem too is most ppl don't realize that until too late.

We also have not touched on bolt modification. Unless you have decent welding skills, this is also not for the timid. To do the job properly you also need access to a lathe with a ball turner attachment and an oxy-acetylene torch.
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Lots of people have the skills and machinery to do this. There is some common sense involved, but its not the black magic that you make it out to be. I find your information notwithstanding if I choose to take this route.


ps. You're not the only one with an iron ring, so get over yourself.
 
I give up. I'm not flaunting credentials, only showing that when I say it's more involved than it seems, I'm not just a numpty in an armchair spouting off irrelevance. I have built complete guns from scratch - many guys here on CGN have seen my work and my shop. I know what I'm talking about when I say the average home tinkerer doesn't need this project.

If you have the skills, go ahead. I've seen a good number of rifles ruined this way but if you're skills are up to it, then I don't mean to discourage.

This is not restocking an old Enfield though. It's a semi-difficult project.
 
Allow me to make it simple:


Step 1: examine working specimen with scope/mount, take measurements and photo. Use 1:1 ratio of photo as first layer of CAD. Add measurements/drawing as second layer. Print your two layer drawing.


Step 2: Mark both holes on rifle with 1:1 ratio drawing, but drill and tap only first hole, affix scope/mount and clamp where where second hole is to be drilled.

Step 3: Insert small laser into bore or chamber, focus laser dot on shop/building 100 meters across yard and with all scope settings at zero, move cross hairs onto dot. Confirm hole #2 is marked correctly, then drill and tap.

Step 4: install scope and mount.


Step 5: Buy additional ammo and beer with extra money saved by not employing advice of those who tell you it cannot be done.


Additional notes: shaving wood (with Dremmel tool), welding, and machining are skills that are rarely performed by P. Engineers, they are performed best by Tradesman who employ these skills 8 hours per day, 12 months per year.


I don't see where the voodoo and black magic is required. We've done this with several rifles, just not a Mosin. It takes common sense and few proper tools.
 
There is no voodoo or black magic but far more have been hopelessly f**ked up than have been successful . Your method also relies on firsthand examination of a working specimen.
 
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