Its also assuming that the repro mount and scope is the same as the specimen you look at. You can still do it without it, but its nice to see one working first. Either way, its still a reproduction and not original, so you're going to devalue your rifle from a collectors point of view anyway. If its an original PU Mosin, the holes are already there for mounting. The big difference in this case is that you install it correctly the first time, because you're right. Nobody wants a rifle thats been buggered, even if it is a $200 milsurp.
Is the Mosin Nagant M91/30 Sniper that tradex sells a reproduction scope?
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Its also assuming that the repro mount and scope is the same as the specimen you look at. You can still do it without it, but its nice to see one working first. Either way, its still a reproduction and not original, so you're going to devalue your rifle from a collectors point of view anyway. If its an original PU Mosin, the holes are already there for mounting. The big difference in this case is that you install it correctly the first time, because you're right. Nobody wants a rifle thats been buggered, even if it is a $200 milsurp.
1) A dremel tool has no business being anywhere near a rifle. Files and chisels and inletting black yes, dremel = no. Say no to dremel.
2) While I happen to be an engineer and barring your obvious contempt and bias against engineers, please note that I was an aprentice machinist before I went to university and presently run a small machine shop. Whatever tree you think you are barking up, I assure you it's the wrong one. I work with my hands and earn my living.
3) While you may have mounted side-mounts to round receivers before, I guarantee you 99% of forum members here have not and just because you might be able to build a sniper does not mean most can or should.
Finally, there are the economics. The rifle is about $200, the mount is about $200 and the scope is about $200. That's about $600 in parts and repros can be bought ready made for $600.
I think the question has to be asked to the person that started this thread, do you want a rifle with a quality scope mount or a rifle with reproduction mount to make it look original. I personally do not like the reproduction mounts and have installed them. You do not have to be a engineer or a skill tradesman to do this project What you do need is common sense to know what you are trying to achieve and some metal working skills.There is no doubt a drill press is a must. The old quote measure twice and drill once comes into play here as well as mocking the mount up and bore sighting before drilling. Check the following site out if you are looking for a quality mount with great instructions, that can also be applied to the reproduction mounts and yes I have used these products.. All the info is at the end of the page.
www.rocksolidind.com/Mosin%20Nagant.html
www.rocksolidind.com/Mosin%20Nagant.html
Could be an alternative to bubba a Mosin but no thanks..... I will pass, prefer the PU system
Check out this extreme bubba'd "Mosin Sniper". Kinda cool how he relocated the bolt handle...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tttveTbF9NQ
Nice rifle, I can see all the "Hector the Collectors" out there cursing the bubba gods in their darkened little rooms......lol
The real question is "Does it shoot any better than before?". I rather doubt it. It would be funny to have somebody pull alongside him at the range & blow him away with a beat up bone stock 91/30.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufMXp4UgS6s&feature=related
Just a side note. There were upwards of 37,000,000 Nagants built (give or take). There is no such thing as ruining the collector value. In my opinion. Also I would have no problems side mounting a scope myself. It's no problem for me, but it may be a problem for others. Know your own limits.
Take the barrel out of the stock first, then cut it. We're not as stupid as you think. Repro scope and mount at Westrifle for 260 bucks + 200 for rifle= 460. Try arithmetic instead of calculus next time. Drill two holes and save 140 bucks, go shooting. I can't imagine what its like to walk through life thinking everyone other than you is unintelligent. It was a much better post when you gave up.
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It won't be an original, but neither is a $600-$800 repro Mosin, so there is no collectors value anyway, nor are you ruining a valuable piece anymore than the factory it came from. I've only seen for myself, one Repro sniper and the scope was out, but rather than shimming, we re-machined the mount to adjust for the sloppy jig that cut and tapped the mounting holes. You don't need to work for NASA to be able to get two holes correctly drilled and tapped. It takes common sense and a few good tools. Many of us at CGN have the skills to do so, notwithstanding other points of view.
I'm not suggesting that everyone should do this, but if you have the correct tools want to save 150-300 bucks, its only two holes to drill and tap.
Hey fiddler - ever try not being an @sshat?
And by the way, the westrifle mounts are not very authentic looking from what I have seen and their scopes are not even close with modern markings, etc. It you want junk, then yes, you can do it cheap - like you - cheap and full of cheap-shots.
And by the way, the westrifle mounts are not very authentic looking from what I have seen and their scopes are not even close with modern markings, etc. It you want junk, then yes, you can do it cheap - like you - cheap and full of cheap-shots.
There have been 100 million Klacks built, too..... still doesn't mean we can all have one of them. Heck, it's only one for every 65 people on the planet. ANY Moisin-Nagant must be at least 3 times as collectible as that....... and a lot of them are darned scarce. For proof, just TRY finding a Cossack Rifle! I've been looking for a long time and still haven't come across one, although I did snag a FINNISH Dragoon rifle a few years back.
I have just read this whole thread through and am wondering why it is that some people seem to just HAVE to be offensive when someone tries to help. I thought we were all here to help each other and to exchange information and collecting tips, not simply to preen our inflated egos in front of everyone else. There is no need at all for gratuitous insults. Some day, I expect some mothers' children might grow up and realise this.
Scoping ANY rifle calls for considerable expertise. I KNOW this; you ought to see some of the Bubba jobs that have gone through my hands over the years. I have a P-'14 with a scope-base mounting-hole drilled and tapped right into the chamber. Barrel was also cut at a 10-degree angle. I also have a Long Lee which someone rebarreled by sawing off the old barrel at the front of the chamber and then butting a dechambered lightweight .32-40 barrel against it and then building the whole thing up solid to standard P-'14 dimensions..... with brazing. Not really sure if that one should be fired or not! My old wildcat had 9 lives and used them all up in 20 years.... but I have only the one.
Still don't think it is necessary to be plain rude.
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I have just read this whole thread through and am wondering why it is that some people seem to just HAVE to be offensive when someone tries to help. I thought we were all here to help each other and to exchange information and collecting tips, not simply to preen our inflated egos in front of everyone else. There is no need at all for gratuitous insults. Some day, I expect some mothers' children might grow up and realise this.
Scoping ANY rifle calls for considerable expertise. I KNOW this; you ought to see some of the Bubba jobs that have gone through my hands over the years. I have a P-'14 with a scope-base mounting-hole drilled and tapped right into the chamber. Barrel was also cut at a 10-degree angle. I also have a Long Lee which someone rebarreled by sawing off the old barrel at the front of the chamber and then butting a dechambered lightweight .32-40 barrel against it and then building the whole thing up solid to standard P-'14 dimensions..... with brazing. Not really sure if that one should be fired or not! My old wildcat had 9 lives and used them all up in 20 years.... but I have only the one.
Still don't think it is necessary to be plain rude.
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Claven try this instead of the ball turning jig
when I built my repro mosin sniper I built the bolt handle like this: 1 bandsaw off the bolt knob as close to the knob as possible then cut the handle off where the bolt rises up to meet the handle. Mic the knob. set the knob in the vise and orient the handle stub vertical in x and y. pick up the back vise jaw and move in half the diameter minus .100 set y to zero. pick up one edge of the ball then move in half diameter plus .100 set x to zero. move to x 0 y 0 center drill drill and tap 3/8-16. then just bend and cut a long 3/8 16 bolt till it matches the profile that you want and thread the opposite end in the lathe or with a die. I drilled and tapped the bolt body and threaded the new handle on so I could cut and bend the new handle till i was happy with it. then I screwed the origional bolt knob onto the new handle and had it tig welded cost maybe 10 bucks. the ball jig work work too but time is money right. Happy shooting.
when I built my repro mosin sniper I built the bolt handle like this: 1 bandsaw off the bolt knob as close to the knob as possible then cut the handle off where the bolt rises up to meet the handle. Mic the knob. set the knob in the vise and orient the handle stub vertical in x and y. pick up the back vise jaw and move in half the diameter minus .100 set y to zero. pick up one edge of the ball then move in half diameter plus .100 set x to zero. move to x 0 y 0 center drill drill and tap 3/8-16. then just bend and cut a long 3/8 16 bolt till it matches the profile that you want and thread the opposite end in the lathe or with a die. I drilled and tapped the bolt body and threaded the new handle on so I could cut and bend the new handle till i was happy with it. then I screwed the origional bolt knob onto the new handle and had it tig welded cost maybe 10 bucks. the ball jig work work too but time is money right. Happy shooting.
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Are the 91/30 rifles ex-snipers or just a regular 91/30 converted (drilled and tapped) to be a fake sniper?
Yes, having seen a fair number of the repro snipers, I've seen 2 that had the sniper number over on the left side of the barrel. Not common though as they are more work to do for the factory in the Ukraine, hardened welds to deal with.
