Hey, what's wrong with that stuff, other than being a cop magnet and lots of hassle and very hard to climb into for an old dude?
Is The Stated MOA Of Your Rifle Like A Good Fish Story?
- Thread starter sobo4303
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Hey, what's wrong with that stuff, other than being a cop magnet and lots of hassle and very hard to climb into for an old dude?
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
What species of fish do you smell from this one..............I'm sure you will come up with something. Five shot groups.
Nice shooting! But it doesn't have much to do with shooting live targets under typical big game hunting conditions in Canada. Once the wind is blowing, and snow squalls obscure the game you're stalking across wet tundra, while calf deep in cold water, what difference does a sub half minute rifle make to the meat in the freezer or the trophy on the wall? All that matters is what you can do on demand, under the conditions you face, when you have the opportunity to shoot. An accurate rifle is certainly worthy of desire and praise, but its not necessarily a better tool.
I have to agree that we put so much importance on group size we sometimes forget that a dandy bench tuned rifle might be a real poor tool stalkng in tight bush. My 444 is a 1/2 MOA with a peep sight. Unless I foul things up with a second shot. My bench is the hood of my Jeep and my groups are 3 in size. I train to hunt and three fairly quick shots in my hunting fields is about as good as it gets.
Please don't getme wrong. Shooting groups is a great hobby and tight groups requires a competent rifleman and usually a good rifle/load tuner. All excellent skills to foster. However no-one ever states their offhand group size or even talks about real field practice. Group shooting is more about the rifle and less about the shooter.
True, but that's not what this thread is about. I know some pretty fine offhand shooters and they are still pretty anal about the "bench" accuracy of their rifles. It just might matter. If, for example, taking a shot at an animal at 400 yards is within your capabilities, and you miss the vitals by 1" because of the rifles capabilities, then that is unacceptable. Granted, usually the opposite is true.
That is a shot only an un ethical hunter takes!!! The capabilities of the equipment you chose to hunt with, determine your capabilties in the field. If you know or think the rifle is uncapable placing it's first shot on target at 400 yards then you simply don't take that shot!
Totally agree with your statement, however; it is not what the OP was questioning. If it is live targets that turned dead that counts, I'm sure that many people can come up with fish smelling stories simular to guys on the rifle range. The antelope in my avatar was shot with a 240 weatherby at 310 paces after a 5 mile on foot stock. He was facing me straight on, layed down with by bi-pod, aimed at the base of his neck and squeezed. Is this what your talking about for use of a hunting rifle?
Amazing. Simply amazing.
tylerjwitty
CGN frequent flyer
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- Northern Ontario
i requin that most hunters i know (90%) prob, would be considered unethical due to the fact that their main goal whilest hunting is in fact to put meat into the freezer. . .
Winchester 1886
CGN Regular
Developping a load for a hunting rifle is just fun...When you can get it to shoot.
When you find a good load that shoot MOA or less, then you have confidence in your gun to take THE shot at your animal...And succeed.
Nice hunting season to everyone.
There's so much BS printed in magazines and forums that people are embarassed to admit they shoot anything over an inch. How many times have you seen a newbie arrive asking questions about what equipment he needs to start reloading, and 3 weeks later he's giving advice on powder and bullet selection. The internet is the greatest liar's device ever invented - it makes your #### double size and your groups shrink by half. 
tylerjwitty
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Northern Ontario
it hasn't done either for me ^
To reload modest amounts of rifle ammo, you would need this as a minimum:
1. single stage reloading press $40-$100
2. reloading dies $30-$50
3. case trimmer-handheld Lee - $10
4. beam scale - $40-$50
5. Case prep kit $15-$30 (primer pocket cleaners, case mouth chamfer tool - inside and outside)
6. loading block (make your own from a piece of 2x4 and a drill) or buy it for $10
7. powder funnel $5-$10
So yes, you could get started for under $200 loading for rifle. You could comfortably expect to be able to load 50 rounds per hour with that setup.
For reloading pistol ammo you would probably want something that would be a bit faster because of the higher volume of ammo usage. In which case you should buy a turret press instead of a single stage press, and a powder measure.
1. single stage reloading press $40-$100
2. reloading dies $30-$50
3. case trimmer-handheld Lee - $10
4. beam scale - $40-$50
5. Case prep kit $15-$30 (primer pocket cleaners, case mouth chamfer tool - inside and outside)
6. loading block (make your own from a piece of 2x4 and a drill) or buy it for $10
7. powder funnel $5-$10
So yes, you could get started for under $200 loading for rifle. You could comfortably expect to be able to load 50 rounds per hour with that setup.
For reloading pistol ammo you would probably want something that would be a bit faster because of the higher volume of ammo usage. In which case you should buy a turret press instead of a single stage press, and a powder measure.
Northman999
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Southern Yukon
I've run into plenty of guys in real life who are real quick to start jabbering on about their marksmanship before they even know you, so the internet is not really required for people to be FOS.
I just find that most of the talk about accuracy (on the internet and in real life) is totally wasted breath. Maybe not if you're a bunch of long range precision shooters trying to refine your abilities, but for 99% of hunters, or guys beer cans at the gravel pit, talk of MOA accuracy is just so much verbal masterbation. Guys who are shooting their deer/bear/moose at 100 yards every year could go their whole lifetimes without talking about accuracy and be just fine.
I just find that most of the talk about accuracy (on the internet and in real life) is totally wasted breath. Maybe not if you're a bunch of long range precision shooters trying to refine your abilities, but for 99% of hunters, or guys beer cans at the gravel pit, talk of MOA accuracy is just so much verbal masterbation. Guys who are shooting their deer/bear/moose at 100 yards every year could go their whole lifetimes without talking about accuracy and be just fine.
My SKS with iron sights can hit clay pigeons at 500 yards!!!!!!
And these are the black clay pigeons, not the blaze orange
Sorry,I had to!! Sure, my SKS does that all day long,Given the clays are on a 15' by 12' board and 720 in number!
