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aiwa said:
No that is when you convince yourself that it is a collection item.
No that is when you convince yourself that it is a collection item.
I bought a Norc model at the beginning of the year.
I have a hard time getting a good grouping out of it. That being said, my bro was getting under a 4" grouping at 25 yards with it. I couldn't believe it! He said he likes the little sights.
Its not the most finely finished gun but even with surplus ammo weve never had a FTF or FTE. The one day we put 150 rounds through it with no problem.
I have a hard time getting a good grouping out of it. That being said, my bro was getting under a 4" grouping at 25 yards with it. I couldn't believe it! He said he likes the little sights.
Its not the most finely finished gun but even with surplus ammo weve never had a FTF or FTE. The one day we put 150 rounds through it with no problem.
I shot a friends Tok. It had the 9mm conversion barrel also. Snappy in the original ctg but kinda cool with the 9mm, too. Liked hot ammo in the 9mm. Spring was very strong & stove-piped with 9mm target ammo. Fine with military hardball, though. As cool as I thought the Tok was I've never bought one myself, even when you could get them for around $120 with the 9mm conversion barrel/magazine... 
I've got a Norc 54-1 and it's a cheap, fun little gun. Like many combloc guns I find it very reliable, and the only annoyance is the stupid aftermarket safety.
On the topic of grips, I've had several first time shooters with small hands prefer the grip angle and size on the 54-1 to my Glock 17 and Kimber TLE .
I love most combloc guns, so I would have bought some Tokarev version at some point even if it was a POS, but I truly find it a lot of fun.
On the topic of grips, I've had several first time shooters with small hands prefer the grip angle and size on the 54-1 to my Glock 17 and Kimber TLE
.I love most combloc guns, so I would have bought some Tokarev version at some point even if it was a POS, but I truly find it a lot of fun.
The Tokarev TT-33 is the SKS of handguns.
If you think there's room for (or already own) ans SKS in your collection, chances are you'll be happy with a Tokarev pistol.
Pros: reliable, rugged, cheap to feed, easy to operate. The gunsmith who doesn't know how to fix one isn't a gunsmith.
Cons: rough/gritty action compared to modern civilian guns, fixed sights, limited upgrade options, not a tack driver.
- Peter
If you think there's room for (or already own) ans SKS in your collection, chances are you'll be happy with a Tokarev pistol.
Pros: reliable, rugged, cheap to feed, easy to operate. The gunsmith who doesn't know how to fix one isn't a gunsmith.
Cons: rough/gritty action compared to modern civilian guns, fixed sights, limited upgrade options, not a tack driver.
- Peter
I just recently bought a Norc Tok. Fit and finish are better than I expected and the steel seems to be really hard. I bought it with both 7.62TT and 9 mm barrels. Funny thing is the pistol fires best with 9 mm! I was getting about 4 to 6 inch groups at 15 yards with 9 mm (I'm sure I'll get this at 25 yards but right now my skill is the limiting factor). Then I switched to 7.62TT and didn't even hit the paper (We had about nine targets on 8 1/2 X 11 paper all put together!). As for reliability, the first two rounds I fired failed to eject, after that it worked fine. For a $200 pistol the thing is everything I expected and more.
And the impressive bang and flash from 7.62X25 is worth it for some folks, regardless of where the projectiles go.
Buddy of mine has one... I enjoyed playing with it, but not sure that I need to spend that money, when I could buy lots of ammo for my own pistol for $200.
Get it deact, and turn it into a cigarette lighter, maybe?
Neal
Buddy of mine has one... I enjoyed playing with it, but not sure that I need to spend that money, when I could buy lots of ammo for my own pistol for $200.
Get it deact, and turn it into a cigarette lighter, maybe?
Neal
The first mag had to be cycled by hand, after a box it only hiccups when you 'limp-wrist' it. As for accuracy, my Old man puts all his shot into about 5 inches all day long with it. It's a really fun pistol to have, I like that you can feel all the parts moving in it when it goes off.
Newbrunny said:
Newbrunny:
Don't know if you folks are allowed to have them, but for much less than $200 you can find very nice Star BM's all over the place.
I had a Chinese Tokarev many years ago and it was a piece of #####. I don't mean it didn't go "bang" every time I pulled the trigger, but it was inaccurate, and just IMO not much of a pistol. I never did get it to shoot worth a poot, but my buddy wanted it (and bought it) and he was as happy as a clam with it.
On the other hand I do have "surplus" Star BM and it is an excellent little pistol. It has the appearance of a small Colt 1911, without the grip safety. Mine has been very accurate and 100% reliable with ball ammo. I haven't tried any SJHP's in it as it's just my "plinker".
The difference in quality and shooting pleasure between the Tok and the Star was tremendous.
You might consider checking the fine little Star BM out if that model is legal in Canada.
Best Wishes,
JP
I bought a Tokagypt at a gun show about a year ago (actually one of the Firebird commercial ones from West Germany). Probably the most reliable semi I've ever shot - haven't had a hiccup out of it yet. Shoots about 3" at 20 yards. And I like the grip angle on the Tokagypt a hell of a lot more than the other Toks. Probably the best $175 I've spent on a gun yet.
I have 6 Tokarevs. Russian (7.62), Chinese(7.62), Hung(9mm), Bulgarian (9mm), Yogo (7.62mm) Polish (.22). They are all reliable and generally accurate. The Yugo being the nicest fit and finished, second the Polish. Al are issue guns not commercial!
Scott
Scott
beeson.p said:
This is pretty typical. The two 54's that I have owned both shot better with 9mm than with 7.62x25. I noticed that the fit of the 9mm barrels in them was much tighter than the original 7.62's, to the extent that the 9's were not interchangeable between the 2.
Can’t comment the finish on Norc Tokarevs, but newer Toks are heckuva strong pistols. See: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26582 . Look at the load:16 grains of Power Pistol, double charge in 357 (max. load) with 158 gr bullet, in a smaller case?! Pressure must be close or above 100 KPSI, about proof load for Weatherby rifles.
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I own a Norc Tok, and today I had my first real hiccup. I blame the ammo though.
Been out before, shot the grips off (literally ), nary a prob with cycling, minute of hillside for accuracy but still fun.
Today, about 120 rounds in, a FTE . The round went off, and cycled the action (I think on pure will alone). It tried to feed another round with the "brass" still in the chamber. Naturally, no squib rod . Got it apart and tried levering the case out. No go. Got it home and with some taps of a brass rod, out popped the case. I figure the laquer on the cases started building up in the chamber and one round finally seized.
A quick clean and she'll be ready for the next outing.
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Been out before, shot the grips off (literally
), nary a prob with cycling, minute of hillside for accuracy but still fun. Today, about 120 rounds in, a FTE
. The round went off, and cycled the action (I think on pure will alone). It tried to feed another round with the "brass" still in the chamber. Naturally, no squib rod . Got it apart and tried levering the case out. No go. Got it home and with some taps of a brass rod, out popped the case. I figure the laquer on the cases started building up in the chamber and one round finally seized. A quick clean and she'll be ready for the next outing.
(E)
I've posted about this elsewhere. PM me for a story about some problems I had with the retailer of this gun.
I bought a Norinco Tokarev Type 54 clone from a store in Vancouver. It came with a case of 7.62x39 ammo and some 9mm barrels, so it wasn't such a bad deal. But the 7.62mm barrel was badly corroded and eroded. Contrary to what I thought, it turned out to be a "remanufactured" rather than factory-new gun. The example I handled in the store wasn't the one I received in the box. The corrosion in the barrel had been "chromed over" and it had been sold in a box as if it were totally new.
I bought a Norinco Tokarev Type 54 clone from a store in Vancouver. It came with a case of 7.62x39 ammo and some 9mm barrels, so it wasn't such a bad deal. But the 7.62mm barrel was badly corroded and eroded. Contrary to what I thought, it turned out to be a "remanufactured" rather than factory-new gun. The example I handled in the store wasn't the one I received in the box. The corrosion in the barrel had been "chromed over" and it had been sold in a box as if it were totally new.
Same story. The gun is fine with Norinco 7.62 x 25 and it is fun to shoot without jams. If you use Czech, you get trouble sometimes and they are very corrosive. Your barrel would rust out very quick. You have to wash the gun with ho####er and soap after shooting. Levers sold out the Norinco and they are hard to find now.
Please pm me if anybody can share some with me in Vancouver.
Please pm me if anybody can share some with me in Vancouver.
