Is there a better light recoiling, do it all cartridge...

The .270Win is an excellent caliber and it's proven itself over the past 90 years...I have one and I've used it for deer, elk, and moose...bang, thump.
If you're looking at efficiency though, the power to handle all the antlered game out to about 300 yards...with minimum recoil, and you'd have to consider the 7mm-08. It's only weakness is factory ammo is a bit pricey and not found as readily as .270/.308/30.06...but the power with minimum recoil is why my son is getting a 7mm-08 under the tree this Christmas.
 
The 270 is a good cartridge, But before buying one I would first consider a 6.5x55 swede, or 7x57 mauser, or a 7x64 brenneke which are awsome performers with about or less recoil than the 270 and can hit just as hard using less powder. another quality the cartridges I mentioned above is that they have a very good back round reputation and history. The 6.5x55 and 7x57 came out in the 1890's and the 7x64 brenneke came out in 1917- all before the 270 win. There was no need for the 270 to be invented when they should have adapted European cartridges like the ones above. But like mentioned before, North Americans don't really like metric calibers.
 
I am not a fan, and regularly tease my hunting partner about his 270, in fact just the other day I told him he can't kill $h1t with his 270. However the 50+" moose rack, and multiple WT racks on the side of his garage would beg to differ. I offer to him that they all died laughing that he was actually carrying a 270 in the woods! I would take the 280 rem over the 270 ANY day, better selection of bullet weights and types that can be easily found in my area, higher BC and SD in same bullet weights, and the 7mm is just cooler for me. I also shoot a 284 winchester, 6.5X55 swede, 358 winchester, 308 winchester, 260 remington and 30-30 winchester.
 
pisces-guy said:
If you're looking at efficiency though, the power to handle all the antlered game out to about 300 yards...with minimum recoil, and you'd have to consider the 7mm-08.
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I've used a 7mm-08 before. It was underwhelming. I suspect it was a dud of some sort - max I could get out of the 20" barrel with 140's was around 2700fps, and with 160's about 2400fps. My .270 would do +3000 with 140s and ~2700fps with 160 Partitions. Of course those could easily be tamed down to 7mm-08 levels. Having said that the 7mm-08 killed deer too.

Like I said, it may have been slow or something cause there sure are lots of folks who love their 7mm-08s and I really like the 7x57 which on paper is only slightly better than the "little guy".
 
1899 said:
OK, I have a different idea. List another cartridge and corresponding loads that will, within SAAMI specs:
1. have a PBR (+/- 3") of +325 yards with a bullet suitable for shooting deer sized game - and do this with less than 15lbs of recoil in a 7lb rifle; and
2. launch a bullet with at least .249 SD at +2900fps - or one with a .298 SD at +2800 fps;

:)

1899...........ever heard of a 264 Win Mag or even the newly legitimized 6.5-284.............tops the 270 in all categories AND handles lighter bullets without greater recoil............HHHMMMMMMMM
Feel free to look up the ballistics......and I'm talking within SAAMI specs, not my SPECIAL loads. Oh ya and let's not forget the new Nosler offering, which although I have not fired suspect the recoil would be quite mild and on par with your wonderful marginal coyote cartridge.......;);):D:D

Then there is the 6.5-06 and the 6.5 RM and the 6.5X68 and so on and so on and so on................
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1899 said:
OK, I have a different idea. List another cartridge and corresponding loads that will, within SAAMI specs:
1. have a PBR (+/- 3") of +325 yards with a bullet suitable for shooting deer sized game - and do this with less than 15lbs of recoil in a 7lb rifle; and
2. launch a bullet with at least .249 SD at +2900fps - or one with a .298 SD at +2800 fps;

:)

1899...........ever heard of a 264 Win Mag or even the newly legitimized 6.5-284.............tops the 270 in all categories AND handles lighter bullets without greater recoil............HHHMMMMMMMM
Feel free to look up the ballistics......and I'm talking within SAAMI specs, not my SPECIAL loads. Oh ya and let's not forget the new Nosler offering, which although I have not fired suspect the recoil would be quite mild and on par with your wonderful marginal coyote cartridge.......;);):D:D

Then there is the 6.5-06 and the 6.5 RM and the 6.5X68 and so on and so on and so on................
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Yeah, I looked. It is pretty close with some loads in the .264 WM with 100gr Partitions on the bottom end and meets the challenge on the top end.

According to Barnes the .270 Win beats the .264 WM by 200fps when both are using 110gr bullets. With 130gr bullets the top load for the .264 WM is 3229fps with 77gr of US879 vs 3211fps with 59.0gr of RL19 for the .270 Win. The 95gr TTSX in the .270 is listed at 3729fps with 64.5gr of AA2400. The .264 WM apparently can hit 3570fps with 63.5gr of RL19 and a 100gr Partition. So with roughly the same amount of powder it is only about 160fps slower with a similar weight bullet.
So, close. Kind of. :)

We should have a new reality series - C-FMBI, forced to hunt with a .270 Winchester, Dogleg forced to carry a .30-06 and, oh the humanity of it all, I can barely type it, Gatehouse forced to hunt with a .375 H&H!
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My biggest regret so far was selling my .270 Ruger stainless with that green OD Hogue stock. I loved that gun, but got real poor quick after buying my F350 and , upon getting it stuck and , then disabled in a hidden away bog. (the retrieval was ridiculously expensive, as was the repair. So my gun locker took a real beating in the liquidation department.)
 
1899 said:
I've used a 7mm-08 before. It was underwhelming. I suspect it was a dud of some sort - max I could get out of the 20" barrel with 140's was around 2700fps, and with 160's about 2400fps. My .270 would do +3000 with 140s and ~2700fps with 160 Partitions. Of course those could easily be tamed down to 7mm-08 levels. Having said that the 7mm-08 killed deer too.

Like I said, it may have been slow or something cause there sure are lots of folks who love their 7mm-08s and I really like the 7x57 which on paper is only slightly better than the "little guy".
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I didn't say it was equal to the .270, I think a bit over 2800 fps is about it for the 140 grain bullets...I said it would take deer, elk, and moose out to 300 yards with a minimum amount of recoil (12 ft.-lbs. versus my .270's 17.5 ft.-lbs.)...that's why I got it for my 10 year old son's first rifle... :-D
 
sgt.rock said:
My biggest regret so far was selling my .270 Ruger stainless with that green OD Hogue stock. I loved that gun, but got real poor quick after buying my F350 and , upon getting it stuck and , then disabled in a hidden away bog. (the retrieval was ridiculously expensive, as was the repair. So my gun locker took a real beating in the liquidation department.)
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And I have loved that firearm since the day it arrived on my doorstep : ) took my first whitetail with it and will continue to drop them for many more moons.
 
Gary D said:
Ummmm, no. I'll leave it at that.
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Except that a 95gr TTSX at +3700fps out of a .270 Win is just about the same, as a 100gr TTSX at 3600fps out of a .257 Wby. The 80gr TSX out of the Wby is about 3850fps - mine did just under 4000 with a 75gr X. The .270 does +3900fps with the 85gr TSX. So again, for practical purpose, the same.
 
Well 1899, I just checked the manuals that I have unpacked and according to 2 Speer manuals 2 Nosler manuals a Hornady manual and a Sierra manual, the 264 comes out on top in every single comparison by anywhere from 20 fps to well over 100 fps. It would appear that Barnes data which disagrees with every other bullet manufacturer, has either a special love of the 270 Win or a special hatred for the 264 WM. Based on the other dozen or so manuals that I have Barnes data is very suspect for bias.........I'm afraid I still have to go with the majority of 12 to 1 and say the 264 outdoes the 270 in every comparison, Barnes data is highly suspect in this case and also does not correspond with my own experience with the 264, showing it to be 200-300 fps slower than I have experienced even with Barnes bullets.
 
c-fmbi - I've never owned or even shot a .264 WM. Have you used it in 22"-24" barrels? Do you neck size 7mm RM brass? I bet the new RL33 would be just the ticket for it.
 
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