Is there a better light recoiling, do it all cartridge...

[Kevan]

Very well...

The "NEW KING" of small bore centerfire catridges is the .22 Hornet... or more specifically the Kilbourn version... and even more specifically the KH when loaded with 60 grain parts over a full case of Lil'Gun... good for hares to horses... strikes em down like the hammer of Thor... DOA/DRT/INDAFREEZER... does anything the .270 can do... allbeit @ the muzzle rather than 658 meters...

As the self proclaimed NEW KING of smallbores there can be NO dispute...

And the .22 K-Hornet is yet another rifle I'll always regret parting with.
I kept my shots on Coyotes and Fox to 250 yds. and under preferably well under and it never let me down, but like a dummy I traded it away.
Sure would like another because in this day of powder shortages it took precious little to feed it, and it was a neat little round to reload..

 

[Gatehouse]

Very well...

The "NEW KING" of small bore centerfire catridges is the .22 Hornet... or more specifically the Kilbourn version... and even more specifically the KH when loaded with 60 grain parts over a full case of Lil'Gun... good for hares to horses... strikes em down like the hammer of Thor... DOA/DRT/INDAFREEZER... does anything the .270 can do... allbeit @ the muzzle rather than 658 meters...

As the self proclaimed NEW KING of smallbores there can be NO dispute...

You need to start your own thread about it, that's just the rules...

 

[Secondgunman]

For do all that is softer then a .270 win I would have to say may dad's number one and only go to caliber other then .22 LR and 12g shot gun 6.5 x 55 sweed. I know a few people that have said with what they have done with a 6.5 x 55 they would not feel under calibered anywhere in North America.

 

[c-fbmi]

All I have to say is that I think Whelen Lad just proved my point on the other thread in hunting...........he lost a Sambar to the 270 Winchester..............He blames himself, but who knows, maybe it was the cartridge and not him at all.........I also know there would have been significantly more, and possibly lethal, damage with a 300 Mag..............This unfortunate incident only amplifies and justifies my advocacy for larger than 270 Win on animals this size and tenacity !!!!!

 

[hoytcanon]

You need to start your own thread about it, that's just the rules...

If you read carefully... you will see where I slipped in a .270 reference...

Just keepin' it real...

 

[tylerjwitty]

Hard to beat the 260 . Altho i do like my 270wsm ... Only because its the most accurate barrel i own

 

[Boomer]

All I have to say is that I think Whelen Lad just proved my point on the other thread in hunting...........he lost a Sambar to the 270 Winchester..............He blames himself, but who knows, maybe it was the cartridge and not him at all.........I also know there would have been significantly more, and possibly lethal, damage with a 300 Mag..............This unfortunate incident only amplifies and justifies my advocacy for larger than 270 Win on animals this size and tenacity !!!!!

I have an Australian hunting magazine, I'll have to see if I can find it, where the author of an article goes out after the mighty Sambar with a .458; so maybe the .300 isn't even enough. You're definitely undergunned WL!

 

[Boomer]

You could make that case. Big game rifles can be classed as Light, Medium and Heavy sort of like half-ton, 1 ton and 3 ton trucks. If you have them all, the appropriate tool for the job doesn't take a lot of thought. If you doubt your light rifles suitability, you'll just reach for the medium sooner.

I look at things from a slightly different perspective. I think in terms of small game and varmints, medium sized game, heavy game, and dangerous game. Small game and varmints extends up to game the size of small deer and typically are within the realm of the high velocity small bore rifle. Medium sized game is the vast majority of game hunted around the world, and the weight ranges from say a couple of hundred pounds to a half ton or so. When I refer to cartridges for this class of game, I'm talking about general purpose cartridges, starting with the 6.5s and ending with the .375s or .416s. IMHO, the quarter bores although only marginally smaller, don't have the bullet weight to make them contenders. Heavy game is game typically heavier than 1000 pounds, but not necessarily dangerous, and this is where the mediums from the .338s to the .416s shine. Dangerous game can be of any weight, but these are the guys who can turn the tables where the hunter discovers he's the one hunted. Typically we think of African bufffalo, dry land hippo, elephant, the great cats, and the great bears. A 150 pound leopard isn't necessarily hunted with an elephant gun, but you might be inclined to use more gun than you normally would for game of that weight. If there's still a place for stopping rifles in this world, this is the class of game where they're useful.

 

[Slaymoar]

The real answer is YES. No caliber is perfect. There is always one round that will do something better than another. Whether it be a velocity, energy, trajectory, price, or even hunting regulation issue. There are too many factors to consider with a blanket "low recoil everything round".

Personally, I would say the 270 is the perfect do everything round for my own personal reasons that:
1. Excellent ballistics in every register.
2. Low recoil in terms of performance you get out of it.
3. Abundant ammo
4. ammo and gun can be had at a reasonable budget point

But in my province of Ontario, if I want to hunt coyote or wolf, I cannot carry a rifle with a caliber of .275 or above during non big game seasons, and even then I would need a big game tag.

So at this point this limits me to diameter of 6.5 to 6.9mm. There are a few high performing cartiges in that range, like the 6.5x55 or the 6.5 creedmoor by hornady. The 25-06 also comes to mind, but all these are not of abundant stock, like say the 243 would. But then the 243 begins to lose performance over the 270. At this point I would consider my ammo options and see which one is most viable in terms of availability and price.

 

[Slaymoar]

Double post.

 

[cam1936]

.375 Ruger

 

[Csik boatguy]

I don't think so the 270 is a wonderful calibre. With good shot placement can pretty much hunt anything on this continent

 

[AP]

The real answer is YES. No caliber is perfect. There is always one round that will do something better than another. Whether it be a velocity, energy, trajectory, price, or even hunting regulation issue. There are too many factors to consider with a blanket "low recoil everything round".

Personally, I would say the 270 is the perfect do everything round for my own personal reasons that:
1. Excellent ballistics in every register.
2. Low recoil in terms of performance you get out of it.
3. Abundant ammo
4. ammo and gun can be had at a reasonable budget point

But in my province of Ontario, if I want to hunt coyote or wolf, I cannot carry a rifle with a caliber of .275 or above during non big game seasons, and even then I would need a big game tag.

So at this point this limits me to diameter of 6.5 to 6.9mm. There are a few high performing cartiges in that range, like the 6.5x55 or the 6.5 creedmoor by hornady. The 25-06 also comes to mind, but all these are not of abundant stock, like say the 243 would. But then the 243 begins to lose performance over the 270. At this point I would consider my ammo options and see which one is most viable in terms of availability and price.

Yes and another excellent cartridge to use is your .270W ... It's very important to remember that caliber may be measured in either bore diameter or groove diameter; the bore diameter of a .270W is .270" .. the groove diameter is .277" ... Most of us have been successfully using the .270W during non big game season BECAUSE a) it is labelled a .270 and b) the caliber is .270. Hope that helps

 

[ShrtRnd]

But in my province of Ontario, if I want to hunt coyote or wolf, I cannot carry a rifle with a caliber of .275 or above during non big game seasons, and even then I would need a big game tag.

Doesn't the restriction of .277 or below for Small Game (Coyote/Wolf) fall below a certain geographical line in Ont.? My .243Win and/or .204R covers anything I might encounter chasing Song Dogs in S. Ont. nicely.

I too was many of the nay-sayers of the .270. Too many JOC advocates touting it's abilities blah, blah. Yet, when you start researching the interwebz & see how many are using the .270 in NA efficiently on Whitetails, Elk or Sheep, it's kinda hard not to give it serious consideration. From 130gr to 150gr projectiles, there should be no problem taking any NA Game animal if the shot is where it needs to be.

This year I managed a smoking deal on a .270, so i'm willing to take a subjective look at the cartridge. I'm hoping it proves me wrong. I've had .308Win & 7mm RM, both were fine calibers and took game effectively. Eventually I'll get around to trying either the 6.5x55 Swe or 6.5mm CM.

 

[Dogleg]

The title question is a little misleading since in reality there isn't a "light recoiling do everything cartridge"; at least if by "everything" you mean "everything". That slot has been dominated by the .375 for about 100 years now.

If it doesn't mean "everything" where do you draw the line? Everything that doesn't bite? Everything that that the males are described as rams and bucks instead bulls? (Moose and frogs excepted of course, everyone knows frogs are pussies) The buck/bull, doe/cow line seems to be the dividing line between medium and big game.

 

[1899]

The title question is a little misleading since in reality there isn't a "light recoiling do everything cartridge"; at least if by "everything" you mean "everything". That slot has been dominated by the .375 for about 100 years now.

If it doesn't mean "everything" where do you draw the line? Everything that doesn't bite? Everything that that the males are described as rams and bucks instead bulls? (Moose and frogs excepted of course, everyone knows frogs are pussies) The buck/bull, doe/cow line seems to be the dividing line between medium and big game.

Everything that you are allowed to shoot with it. That takes out Bison and some stuff in Africa.

 

[Waterfowler]

Doesn't the restriction of .277 or below for Small Game (Coyote/Wolf) fall below a certain geographical line in Ont.? My .243Win and/or .204R covers anything I might encounter chasing Song Dogs in S. Ont. nicely.

I too was many of the nay-sayers of the .270. Too many JOC advocates touting it's abilities blah, blah. Yet, when you start researching the interwebz & see how many are using the .270 in NA efficiently on Whitetails, Elk or Sheep, it's kinda hard not to give it serious consideration. From 130gr to 150gr projectiles, there should be no problem taking any NA Game animal if the shot is where it needs to be.

This year I managed a smoking deal on a .270, so i'm willing to take a subjective look at the cartridge. I'm hoping it proves me wrong. I've had .308Win & 7mm RM, both were fine calibers and took game effectively. Eventually I'll get around to trying either the 6.5x55 Swe or 6.5mm CM.

The calibre restriction is based on municipalities.

 

[Dogleg]

Everything that you are allowed to shoot with it. That takes out Bison and some stuff in Africa.

OK, how do you define light recoiling?

 

[AP]

Doesn't the restriction of .277 or below for Small Game (Coyote/Wolf) fall below a certain geographical line in Ont.? My .243Win and/or .204R covers anything I might encounter chasing Song Dogs in S. Ont. nicely.

I too was many of the nay-sayers of the .270. Too many JOC advocates touting it's abilities blah, blah. Yet, when you start researching the interwebz & see how many are using the .270 in NA efficiently on Whitetails, Elk or Sheep, it's kinda hard not to give it serious consideration. From 130gr to 150gr projectiles, there should be no problem taking any NA Game animal if the shot is where it needs to be.

This year I managed a smoking deal on a .270, so i'm willing to take a subjective look at the cartridge. I'm hoping it proves me wrong. I've had .308Win & 7mm RM, both were fine calibers and took game effectively. Eventually I'll get around to trying either the 6.5x55 Swe or 6.5mm CM.

Page 79 of the MNR (Ontario) 2014 Hunting Regulations will help folks out. There is no mention of ".277" in the regs or ".270" or ".270W" simply one mention only of .275 and the counties where there are restrictions. The problem with this particular (and fairly minor) restriction is that some folks are a little too cute for their own good when they read it. Your factory labelled .270W is NOT restricted by the provision .. unless of course you have had the barrel bored out.

 

[1899]

OK, how do you define light recoiling?

Well, I've found that the .30-06 +180's is up there for most folks - especially new shooters. On the other hand, I've never ever heard of anyone complaining about a .243 Win having too much, or even significant recoil. In a sporter weight rifle, say 7.5 lbs, the .243 Win will have less than 10 ft-lbs of recoil. That is so mild that not even a quiche eating panty-waist would be worried about getting his dress dirty from firing a shot.

So I look at it this way - basically anyone can shoot something with such light recoil.