Is there a better light recoiling, do it all cartridge...

1899 said:
As I mentioned, I have owned many of the alternatives listed - 6.5x55, 7mm-08, .308 etc - and while they all have their merits, none of them can match the following:

85gr TSX @ 3900fps
95gr TTSX @ 3700fps
100gr or 110gr Accubond @ 3500fps
110gr TSX @ 3500fps
130gr ___ @ +3100 fps
150gr ___ @ +2900 fps
160gr Part. @ +2800 fps
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That last loading .. 160gr Part @ PLUS 2800 fps bears repeating! It is not magic to exceed 2800fps with the 160gr partition in a .270w/24inch barrel with no signs of pressure. And that is close enough to the best a 264W Mag can do in a 26 inch barrel to make the .264 redundant imho.

FWIW most folks that mention this load in a .270W are a little shy about saying just how close it gets to the oft quoted "Woodleigh" DoubleTap .264/160gr load of 3020fps
 
AP said:
1899 said:

That last loading .. 160gr Part @ PLUS 2800 fps bears repeating! It is not magic to exceed 2800fps with the 160gr partition in a .270w/24inch barrel with no signs of pressure.
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You mean like a few dozen other cartridges? Or is it a few hundred? That doesn't make it bad, but how does it make it best?
 
Dogleg said:
You mean like a few dozen other cartridges? Or is it a few hundred? That doesn't make it bad, but how does it make it best?
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Because those same cartridges can't go the other way - light, solid construction bullets at very high velocity, or .243 recoil/velocity. It doesn't need a reduced load for those light bullets either. So it goes both ways, heavier and lighter. It's kind of "bi"... :)
 
Dogleg said:
How long is the mag-box on the Voere?
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Just over 3.6"

I'd try the lighter bullets for the boy's sake (8 years old). On the other hand I am just heading to the reloading bench to try some H4198 reduced loads in a .30-06 with 125gr Ballistic Tips.

I tried some N135 reduced loads with 120gr Ballistic Tips in the 7mm RM and was ~2700fps but the accuracy was no good at 2" plus for 3 shot groups.
 
Dogleg said:
That will work, but you might want to consider short throating it. Being able to chase the lands, or reach the lands with any bullet you want opens up options and extends barrel life. A lot of the cool kids are playing with 7/300s.
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The 7/300 sounds interesting and I actually have made up a dummy round. Is there a "standard" version?
 
Dogleg said:
You mean like a few dozen other cartridges? Or is it a few hundred? That doesn't make it bad, but how does it make it best?
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Thats a fair comment. The 160gr NP in a 270W is (for me and many others who discovery it) ALSO very accurate. The SD and construction provide great penetration and expansion at the target at normal hunting ranges. It does anything that the much ballyhooed 6.5x55 is known for ... but it does it better! And it makes the .264WM redundant (and I am only agreeing with what many other folks have concluded as well!) ...and it does all this with surprisingly little drama. When you chronograph a good load .. it opens your eyes a little bit! When you see the group size at 100m (partly because of the absence of significant recoil - usually just a deep "boom") - it is equally surprising and when you see the effect on game ... well why not try it and see. I have (including many other centerfire rifle cartridges from .222 to .375 -and a few "pistol" cartridges as well) and the 270W 160gr is outstanding


(probably a 270W and a .375H&H are the two best cartridges you could own .. along with a .22LR)
 
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I never noticed that my .264 recoils any more than my .270s. Its nothing worth mentioning in either case. 13 thousandths in bullet diameter just isn't going to make much difference on a hunting cartridge that covers approximately the same weight range of bullets. And speaking of weight range, does the .270 even need anything other than 130s? I never noticed that they didn't kill what I pointed it at.

There's so many calibers that do exactly the same thing. You really have to take things to extremes to see any difference. Most hunting is animals that aren't very big, not very far away, and aren't very tough. Much of the time it doesn't make any difference which caliber you use, and a .270 fits right in there with 100 others.
 
During the past 53 years I have killed, and seen killed, everything from gophers to grizzly bears with the 270 Winchester. The second largest moose I ever got was taken with a single 130 gr bullet at extremely long range, witnessed by none other than Alex Van Bibber and Mike Hassard.

It is also my distinct impression that I have seen more one-shot kills with the 270 Winchester than any other cartridge, including on grizzlies and moose. No doubt, this is partly because of its wonderful accuracy and light recoil that allows more folks to do their best afield.

Got my first 270 Winchester, a Savage 110, while attending university more than 50 years ago, and my latest one a few weeks ago, a Husqvarna that was manufactured before I was attending there. Hopefully it is going to digest some Matrix Bonded Cores before too long.

If there are better, light-recoiling cartridges than the 270 Winchester, they are definitely in good company.

Yep, a matched pair of Husqvarnas in 270 Win and 9.3X62 could do a fellow just fine for a lifetime.

Night all,
Ted
 
Why not? said:
During the past 53 years I have killed, and seen killed, everything from gophers to grizzly bears with the 270 Winchester. The second largest moose I ever got was taken with a single 130 gr bullet at extremely long range, witnessed by none other than Alex Van Bibber and Mike Hassard.

It is also my distinct impression that I have seen more one-shot kills with the 270 Winchester than any other cartridge, including on grizzlies and moose. No doubt, this is partly because of its wonderful accuracy and light recoil that allows more folks to do their best afield.

Got my first 270 Winchester, a Savage 110, while attending university more than 50 years ago, and my latest one a few weeks ago, a Husqvarna that was manufactured before I was attending there. Hopefully it is going to digest some Matrix Bonded Cores before too long.

If there are better, light-recoiling cartridges than the 270 Winchester, they are definitely in good company.

Yep, a matched pair of Husqvarnas in 270 Win and 9.3X62 could do a fellow just fine for a lifetime.

Night all,
Ted
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Oh, Ted.... I hope that broken record lulls you to sleep... ;)
 
For you 160gr Partition lovers, IMR's new 7977 powder is listed as giving 2843fps at a very low 59,800PSI.
 
1899 said:
For you 160gr Partition lovers, IMR's new 7977 powder is listed as giving 2843fps at a very low 59,800PSI.
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Two things there. When data pressures are low, it usually means the pressure spread is high. A slightly over simplified explanation is there is formula that calculates the likelihood of any one of the rounds going over pressure and that tells them when they have to quit. Loads with tight pressure ranges allow then to load hotter with the same safety margin. Sometimes it just means that was all the powder that they could get in the case though.

The other thing is 2843 fps with 160s makes a 30-06 look like a speed demon overachiever.Hell, my latest one does that with 180s.
 
Dogleg said:
Two things there. When data pressures are low, it usually means the pressure spread is high. A slightly over simplified explanation is there is formula that calculates the likelihood of any one of the rounds going over pressure and that tells them when they have to quit. Loads with tight pressure ranges allow then to load hotter with the same safety margin. Sometimes it just means that was all the powder that they could get in the case though.

The other thing is 2843 fps with 160s makes a 30-06 look like a speed demon overachiever.Hell, my latest one does that with 180s.
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Agreed. But I don't think your '06 did that at anywhere near SAAMI pressure. Do you have any good 200/220 loads?
 
1899 said:
Agreed. But I don't think your '06 did that at anywhere near SAAMI pressure. Do you have any good 200/220 loads?
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I have no way of measuring pressure beyond the standard observations of pressure signs. My load is 56.5 grains of H4350 which is one grain under the Hodgdon website data and only a bit faster than their claim.
 
tylerjwitty said:
Are 06 factory rounds down loaded for the 100 year old guns? I always figured so but i never heard or read anything to support it
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150 grain ammo is 250 fps faster now than it was when the 30-06 was introduced. I've chronographed ordinary blue-box Federal; the cheapest stuff on most shelves and found it to clock 2950 fps in my 24" barrelled Cooper which is what they claim.

One of my .270s won't do that with 130s and stiff H4831 handloads. Part of that is likely the 22 inch barrel but still.
 
tylerjwitty said:
Are 06 factory rounds down loaded for the 100 year old guns? I always figured so but i never heard or read anything to support it
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I doubt it, but SAMMI mandates a maximum pressure for the '06 at around 48,000 psi, which is pretty tame compared to what the majority of handloaders do with the ole gal. Federal blue box 180s spit out of my ZG-47 at 2660, but for cheap ammo, is that stuff consistent! German Salazar, who is sort of the modern guru and advocate of the .30/06, wins lots of matches with it, but doesn't seem to hot rod his accuracy loads . . . there might be a lesson there.
 
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