Is there a class that I would have a chance in with a factory rem700?

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I like competition. But can't really afford a second gun or a high dollar gun right now.
Is there something where my factory rem700 VS SS 22-250 might have a chance? I don't need to win, but a fighting chance to be in the top 30% would be nice.
 
SurvivorRye said:
You'll never know unless you try....
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I'd like to try, but competing against guys with $5000 and lots of time into handloads is not something I can compete against. And having a factory 22-250 limits my range. I was looking at one shoot and it was at 600 and 800 yards. I'm sure 600 wouldn't be too bad, but 800 yards I'd probably be 10moa group, if my scope would even allow me have the target in view.


Ice-Pick said:
D.C.R.A. web site. Look up F-Class, they have a factory class as well as open class.
Each provincial rifle association should have info on this.

Mike.
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Maybe I am just a bit slow, but that seems to be the worst site ever. I can not seem to find any information about the class's. The Alberta site is just as bad.
 
read this thread.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=373968

BC and Ont have factory / sporter classes designed exactly for you and your gun. Do a bit of digging / searching in the precision rifle forum. Everything you want to know is already in there in a coupe of threads about F class and the introduction of a sporter class.

I see that you are in AB. You would be shooting F Open in AB. Contact Inspektor or scout here on CGN for more information about F clas in Alberta.

You also need to have reasonable expectations. You may or may not beat the guys with $5K guns. What is most important is trigger time and learing to dope the wind. Are you a "must win aor I won't come out" kind of shooter? That's counter productive because you'll never win without a butt load of practice backing you up.

You are better off trying for a personal best each time before worrying about how you stack up against the next guy. It's not as though there's a pot of $ waiting for the match winner. The F'ers I know are not in it to get rich.

Also , don't underestimate your 22-250 at long range. You should be able to send 80 or 90 bullets at velocities that are far better than .223 and believe it or not, .223 is more than enough to reach out to 1000 yds.
 
Jeff
UR Correct .Both ORA and DCRA websites need some updating and are in a revision mode now.
As to shooting competitions with factory rifle.....
Twin City Prone Precision Match tomorrow has 2 classes...Factory and Custom. You compete against same class guns on targets at 100,200 and 300 yards and have some fun while doing it if you lived closer. Not all matches pit you and your factory rifle against custom builds. Even if they did lump you in with them, go shoot and see how well you can stack up against the customs.
In ORA Precision they even separate classes by caliber/bc.
Just go shoot and have fun. Don't worry about having a Ferrari or not.
Gord
 
Jeff, the APRA has updated the website WWW.albertarifle.com. Hit user groups, then Fullbore Target Rifle. It also has a calender for events at Homestead Range. The last match, a gent shot out to 600m with a 204 Ruger and did fairly well until he ran out of scope elevation. 22-250 would do ok as well. Many years ago JJ Conway won the CFRC F Class open with one. June 12th is the next free New Shooter Day which many have found a good way to get into F Class competition. PM me and I'll give you a number to call for more info.
Cheers, Glen
 
Not making the top 30% in a big match as a newcomer is nothing to lose sleep over. If there are a lot of really experienced, competitive shooters, the points spread in the top 30% isn't going to be great, and there won't be all that many points dropped.
Now your rifle. What is the twist? If it is optimized for varmint weight bullets, it doesn't matter how accurate it is, and how well you can shoot it, at longer ranges you are going to get blown around.
 
A factory Remington .22-250 will have a slow twist, which will limit you to short light bullets (up to 55 grains ) that will be blown around by the wind quite a bit more than the 68, 75 or 80 grain target bullets that are available but which require a quicker twist barrel.

So, you'll be at the least disadvantage if you shoot at closer ranges - 500/600 in preference to 900/1000, and 300 in preference to 500&600.

With factory rifles you get what you get and while there's a big variation it is also likely that you will be dealing with a rifle that is less accurate than a full-on custom rifle. Rifle accuracy matters in all classes of competition, but its effect is more pronounced in disciplines where the rules of the game allow for extremely precise aiming. So in F-Class, there is a real and actual competitive disadvantage if you don't have an honest 1/2-MOA rifle, since the permitted gear (scopes, rests, rear bag) allow a good shooter to break each shot to better than 1/10th MOA precision. In fullbore target rifle, which is fired from the prone position off the elbows using a shooting jacket, sling and iron sights, you can be competitive with a rifle that shoots just under 1 MOA. And in matches that are fired standing (particularly if you suck at offhand shooting like I do!), you can be competitive with a bit less accuracy than fullbore TR needs.

If you like shooting beyond 100, prefer to shoot with a scope, and like or are willing to shoot standing, you might want to try shooting metallic silhouette. It is fired offhand at 200m, 300m, 400m and 500m, and is pretty challenging. I had an opportunity to try it once, and managed to knock down the rams at 500m a few times - talk about a thrilling shot to have made! Downsides that I can think of is that a .22-250 might not be able to knock the targets over so you'd really only be firing for fun and personal accomplishment (you'd be able to see and hear your hits), and I also don't know if there is much or for that matter any highpower rifle silhouette shooting done in Canada.
 
6mm is the smallest caliber allowed in metallic silhouette. I don't think a 22-250 would have the jam necessary to drop the rams. I don't know about Alberta but there is active high power silhouette in B.C.

To the OP's original question, I started shooting F-Class this year in factory class with a M700 SPS Tactical in .223. I got hooked enough that when I found there was no factory class in this weekends match I entered in F/TR. While I definitely won't be on the podium at the end of the weekend my little Tac and I are holding our own in the middle of the pack, and having tons of fun doing it. Remember, you won't be the only newbie out there, and there is lots of support for newcomers from the veterans. Get out, burn some powder, have some fun, and learn something new.:D
 
Jeff,

The majority of "Off the shelf" rifles are build as recreational or hunting rifles. This does not mean that couldn't or shouldn't be used in competitive shooting, in fact far from it.

F-CLass is a terrific sport that involes shooting a rifle from the prone position, with a bipod, rear bag and a scope. This weekend in Mission at a 300yd F-Class match, a brand-new participant shooting with a factory Reminton 700 varmint rifle in 223 placed in the top 3 in a class where he was competing against customs. I was thrilled!!

Another fellow did very well with an XCR and another with a Kimber rifle!

If you come to an F-Class match, I guarantee you will meet a group of people who - to a person - have all been in your shoes. We all started off with what we could afford, and just enjoyed hanging around other shooters. You will learn a TON by just coming out and jumping right in with what you have, and I think you will find us all to be very welcoming of new shooters! I usually bring along a second rifle, and i am more than happy to let new shooters try some of the stuff I put together jusy for target shooting. O know there are many Alberta F-Cl;ass shooters that will help you out in exactly the same way (In fact if you come down to the Homestead range near Calgary next weekend, I'll let you try mine!

Cheers,

Ian
 
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