Should always photograph women standing next to Wes for scale...or at least photoshop him in - we all know difficult it is to get a woman to stand next to Wes for a photo.
says the guy that has to goto nunavit to find a wife....
Is there a need for more Cdn made AR parts?
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says the guy that has to goto nunavit to find a wife....
I asked a few questions on the barrels, but couldn't get a straight answer on price.
The young fellow indicated he'd need my bolt to get the headspace correct, and would prefer to do the upper build to ensure it works right.
I guess what he was trying to say that their Barrels are CUSTOM. Not do-it-yourself screw-in with a rusty wrench, in a greasy vise mounted on your wobbly table in your damp messy basement.
I guess what he was trying to say that their Barrels are CUSTOM. Not do-it-yourself screw-in with a rusty wrench, in a greasy vise mounted on your wobbly table in your damp messy basement.
That's my point: The majority of users don't need (or likely want) custom AR barrels.
If I was shooting US NRA Highpower, I'd go with a custom setup, but even for someone like me who concentrates on SR, custom is overkill.
Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled that Rick and crew are doing this, I just don't see anyone running a 16" and less barrel needing anything that isn't pre-configured.
maybe rick is doing it to cover his ass.... one gun blows up because of excessive head space and he will get flamed for it, buy installing and mating the gun to both the action and the bolt he is assuring himself that his product is perfect and everything is good to go.
[cheerleading]he is not an off the shelf dealer, he is a custom gunsmith.... [/cheerleading]
I asked a few questions on the barrels, but couldn't get a straight answer on price.
The young fellow indicated he'd need my bolt to get the headspace correct, and would prefer to do the upper build to ensure it works right.
Maybe bolts should be sold with the barrels so there's no potential loss by sending a bolt in the mail.
Missing mail happens.
Mating the action? What are you talking about?
I have never heard of a drop-in, pre-configured barrel from having any no-go issues with head-space, and along that vein, I've never had a problem switching bolts from barrel to barrel with one either.
I must re-iterate that while another option for custom barrels is fanastic, I'd be willing to bet 95% of the shooters using a drop-in next to a custom one wouldn't see a difference - especially those run n' gun types with 10.5" shorties.
What we were getting at is if we sell you a barrel, we want to make sure your gun will function 100%. That means making sure there is correct headspace and proper gas port sizing for YOUR AR configuration to ensure there is no short stroking, etc.
And to be perfectly frank, yes it is partly about covering our a$$ - if we send off a barrel and it doesn't function correctly, that reflects directly on us and we would much prefer to take out as many factors BEFORE one of you guys puts rounds down the pipe.
what we are offering is much like what Rick is offering to his clients for the long guns - using the machinery and knowledge base we have to produce superior products for the Canadian market, as well as providing customer support second to none.
Cheers,
Rich @ Spartan Precision
And to be perfectly frank, yes it is partly about covering our a$$ - if we send off a barrel and it doesn't function correctly, that reflects directly on us and we would much prefer to take out as many factors BEFORE one of you guys puts rounds down the pipe.
what we are offering is much like what Rick is offering to his clients for the long guns - using the machinery and knowledge base we have to produce superior products for the Canadian market, as well as providing customer support second to none.
Cheers,
Rich @ Spartan Precision
Thanks for posting Rich, good to have you here.
with regard to my earlier comment about custom barreling ARs (imho being a very niche market), and a question I never asked at the show; any plans to go with other calibers other than .223? Any plans to get into tube guns?
with regard to my earlier comment about custom barreling ARs (imho being a very niche market), and a question I never asked at the show; any plans to go with other calibers other than .223? Any plans to get into tube guns?
If the head spacing is done to a specific bolt ,as the bolt wears or is replaced would you not place the shooter in danger as the head space will change. This would be even more of an issue if the customer provides an already worn bolt.
As said above the proper method is to provide a bolt that will be serialized to the barrel and none other,anything else in amateur hour, as there is no guarantee on the quality of the customer supplied bolt.
As said above the proper method is to provide a bolt that will be serialized to the barrel and none other,anything else in amateur hour, as there is no guarantee on the quality of the customer supplied bolt.
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Very true whiech would then leave us the opportunity to advise the client before doing any work. If a new bolt looks like it would be required then would be the time to decide.
Yes this custom AR barrel stuff is very niche, and as Rich points out we DO want to cover our tails and make certain that what leaves here is 100% or better.
Other calibers may be in the running at some point, please understand we are not trying to be vague on answers, but have learned it is better to have the cost nailed down, rather than have to adjust costs as we did when we started on this project.
Once we actually have full production on barrels going , THEN we can be precise with what they will cost. Please bear with us, we are trying to get as much stuff up and happening as possible, but want to do it right.
We hear gripes and complaints about how some of the parts makers and how some stuff does not function perfectly when 1 gets it, we want to make sure that when our stuff is delivered it is as close to perfection as possible.
Honestly we expect to still have some stuff that may have an issue, but what we are trying to accomplish is to reduce the possibility to an absolute minimum and kepp the quality control has high as humanly possible.
Starscream
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Got to see and fondle one of the completed lowers as well as some that had been assembled.
Had to remind myself I didn't have enough money to feed another range queen.... multiple times.... even after I got home.
Had to remind myself I didn't have enough money to feed another range queen.... multiple times.... even after I got home.
It would make more sense to provide a new properly spec'd bolt with the barrel, just seems a waste to have the customer ship his,then be told it is junk and they have to purchase another anyways. I know you aren't as big as the other custom AR builders out there but this is a basic service that is included in the price of a custom barrel.
So you are complaining that a shop wants to make sure their product works 100%? I'd say this is a hell of a lot better than a shop simply selling off whatever to whomever and hoping the stuff works.
Kudo's to Rick and his guys on wanting to make sure their stuff works and works properly. It takes a long time to build a business and a very short time to wreck one.
Peter,
If you read my other posts, I've clearly explained why I think the majority of users would be more inclined to run drop-in, pre-configured barrels.
I've also made it very clear I think the service they are providing with the custom route is excellent.
If manufacturing pre-configured barrels is not in the running for Rick and Crew, so be it.
I agree it makes the most senses
Your best served with a new bolt that is head spaced in that barrel/barrel extension.
That said - if you stick to the middle of the spec, then you should be the majority of quality bolts to drop in.
I would NEVER EVER headspace a gun to a used bolt of unk manufacture. Especially with the junk floating about.
That said - if you stick to the middle of the spec, then you should be the majority of quality bolts to drop in.
I would NEVER EVER headspace a gun to a used bolt of unk manufacture. Especially with the junk floating about.
