Is there any demand for an ALL Canadian made bolt action precision rifle?

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I really don't need a "precision" bolt-action but would appreciate one in 7.62x39 mm. Price would need to be sub $1000.
So, I guess you're targeting a different market -- perhaps one that is already well supplied.
 
I'm definitely interested in one, but unfortunately, not at that price range. For an all around rifle, I simply can't justify or afford that price.
 
I am admittedly relatively new to shooting, so my opinion may not carry the same weight of others but I prefer to buy Canadian Made, Canadian Owned product over other product when I can.

I would be interested.

The price point would mean I have to wait before I could buy one.

I would start buying a .22 range day tack driver or a decent take down hunting rig in a .308 flavour sooner.

Love my Cooeys, simple design and operation. I know Savage is in Canada, but then it is also simply a footnote in their company history. A Canadian Division of a US Company, not a Canadian Company.
 
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Your price is just not attainable for the average Canadian shooter and I understand you get what you pay for. BUT.... You would need to be able to put out a lower priced quality built rifle in the $800 - $1200 range which might not be possible due to production costs. Otherwise you won't be able to compete with the time proven Remington 700 and similar rifles, which is where most precision shooters start. If you don't get the average Canadian shooter using your rifle you won't have enough sales to make the more costly versions a go. Start small but think big as it could be a slow but rewarding process.
All the best with your intentions as I'd love to be shooting an all Canadian Rifle.
 
Well, considering I'm debating on purchasing a PGW C14 Timberwolf, which costs usually between $6000-7000, depending on when you buy it. . . . I might possibly be interested in it. Depending on it's looks, and how good it is (Not saying it wouldn't be good). There is no doubt that there would be a lot of people who would want your rifle. The cost would scare away many, but dedicated Canadian shooters would still be interested. The problem lies that even in these severely dedicated Canadian shooters, they're going to take time before they buy it. Save a certain amount of their paycheck for months, if not years. So, it would take quite a time for there to be much of a market at all, which is why I agree with what the poster above has said. First, start with small, and cheap. If a lot of people like your rifle, they might show even more interest in possibly upgrading to one with a higher price tag.
 
I went through the first few pages, haven't seen anything really about caliber... if you're talking $5,500 ish for a precision .50BMG that'd be a great price point, .338LM you're still on the good side of the value, a nice .308 you're on the mark, if you're talking .223 it's on the high side.

It's hard to compare a theoretical gun value against current market products. The only real precision Canadian made products that I know of are PGW and they are great, not 100% Canadian parts but assembled and backed in Canada. It's all about not pricing yourself out of the market that you're aiming for and then providing a similarly optioned product that shoots just as good.

If you can get at a minimum 1/2 MOA and have all the basic fitment options, LOP, cheek piece, butt pad, good trigger, butter smooth action in a comfortable stock that is durable and you'll stand behind at that price point based on calibers, you'll have a winner. They won't fly off the shelves, but niche market products rarely do, they build a following.

Just a couple things I know I appreciate, options like a transport case with fitted foam with all that we need, cleaning kit, room for mags, some ammo, all in one. last thing I want to do is ding a high end rifle in a soft sided case.
 
I would definitely be interested in that sort of thing, but like most of the other replies, I would definitely need to save some money
 
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Your price is just not attainable for the average Canadian shooter and I understand you get what you pay for. BUT.... You would need to be able to put out a lower priced quality built rifle in the $800 - $1200 range which might not be possible due to production costs. Otherwise you won't be able to compete with the time proven Remington 700 and similar rifles, which is where most precision shooters start. If you don't get the average Canadian shooter using your rifle you won't have enough sales to make the more costly versions a go. Start small but think big as it could be a slow but rewarding process.
All the best with your intentions as I'd love to be shooting an all Canadian Rifle.
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I could be off the mark but I don't think ATRS is thinking about tooling up for "economy rifles". Why tie up your CNCs, and lathes turning out 500$ rifles? I think they were thinking more along the lines of a full out custom precision rig with Canadian sourced parts where it is simply not economical for them to make.
 
I'd be interested. Looking at eventully building a custom 300WM and an all-Canadian would be great. But it's hard to justify that much money when my friend's stock Browning 300WM shoots under 1/2 moa.

The Canadian stock, would that be a Wildcat? I've held one of their unfinished blanks and it was incredibly stiff, incredibly light, and only a few hundred dollars...
 
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I'd be interested. Looking at eventully building a custom 300WM and an all-Canadian would be great. But it's hard to justify that much money when my friend's stock Browning 300WM shoots under 1/2 moa.

The Canadian stock, would that be a Wildcat? I've held one of their unfinished blanks and it was incredibly stiff, incredibly light, and only a few hundred dollars...
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The stock is the issue now. Not sure if Wildcat is still doing much or anything. The Canadian stock maker we were looking at using does not seem to be able to produce the quality we require.
Given the feedback so far it looks like we will just keep doing what we do and build to the spec of the client.
Sorry , we tried.
 
All-Canadian is interesting, but need to understand the price tag, particularly when Montana's new Marksman model is running around $2.9K USD. I appreciate the US market is bigger, but how does one account for the difference.
 
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All-Canadian is interesting, but need to understand the price tag, particularly when Montana's new Marksman model is running around $2.9K USD. I appreciate the US market is bigger, but how does one account for the difference.
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Well, assuming a Canadian machinist gets paid ~$30 an hour as a random number, and it takes him 80 hours of labour to make the rifle, that is $2,400 just to pay the guy to make it without counting resource costs or actually making a profit. With an American machinist they might get ~$15 as a random number, and thus only cost $1200 in labour. It's cumulative as well, if everyone in the supply chain is only getting paid half as much, that will significantly reduce costs.

I have no doubt that ATRS could make some supremely awesome rifle lineups, but unfortunately they're at the crossroads of compromising quality to cut costs. They don't want to do that, which is admirable, but unfortunately they're out of the price range of the majority of people as anything other than a once, or maybe twice, in a lifetime purchase.
 
Are we talking custom made one at a time barrels or new technology cnc automation, propitiatory action, top of the line stocks w/ v block embedded rail + bedding. I was in contact with stiller machining and was informed that .308 repeater on tac 30 action kreiger barrel with accuracy int. chassis 5000.oo can. But he was not shipping to Canada but the actions are available for sale here at around 1000.00 can.So from what I can infer from this is 3000.00 in hard ware and 2000.00 in labour. Canadian made with savings on this price point sounds good as area gunsmith quote using brux barrel or truflight and barnard action and macmillan a5 stock 3500.00can.
 
That make me laugh, some are OK to pay BIG $$$ for euro rifle like Accuracy INTL and so or ANY BiG NaMe US made rifle but, when someone want to have even or higher quality build in canada, they pee on it PFFFFFFFFF..........................The VERY first day we CAN'T import thoses HIGH END across the border, everybody will cry to have them produced HERE and then, i hope they will PEE on customers like some did on them !!!
Keep up the AWESOME work ATRS.... Some day, CGNers will realise we need more buisness like your !!!
 
I used to work at a company that employed over 50 tool and die makers and machinists. This was an American company with their second largest manufacturing plant here in Ontario. I can honestly say that the quality of work out of the US plant was always less than that out of the Canadian plant. These guys were able to regularly hold tolerances of less than 0.001 inches (that is an inch chopped into a thousand pieces if you are not a machinist type person) and they are worth every penny of what they earn. The major difference is that here in Canada machinist or tool and die maker is a licensed trade. In the US it is not. A dude can start working in a machine shop and call himself a tool maker or a machinist in the US. Here in Canada you have to go to school for a few years and then also serve a 4 year apprenticeship on top of the classroom training. This system is far superior to anything offered in the US. The schooling combined with the hands on training is a solid background to learn and acquire some serious skills. Hence the higher paycheck and subsequently, the higher quality of the end product.
I have never purchased anything from ATRS and I am actually ashamed to say I didn't even know that they made rifles to order. Barely had heard of them. I am extremely excited at the idea of a precision rifle all Canadian made. And I don't think $5k is too much to ask. When was the last time you took your car to be serviced? What do those guys charge? Another licensed trade. I for one would be all over this project like a fat kid on a smartie. I have been coveting a PGW rifle because those actions are made in Canada. If EVERTHYTHING was made here, that much betterer! I think all you guys complaining about the cost either are not into long range shooting or simply can't justify dropping that kind of coin on a range toy. Fair enough. But if you are in the market for that kind of serious equipment, this price is not out of line.
One other story to justify the quality of Canadian workmanship. The military people out there may have heard of a company in Ontario called Diemaco. These guys make and service the Canadian C7, C8 and other military toys for the Canadian and other armed forces in NATO. They also take arsenals from these other countries and refurbish them, make improvements to them, etc. One of their claims to fame is their proprietary barrel making technology. They use a cold hammer forging machine that was designed and built to Diemaco specs. The barrels made on this machine are superior to anything coming out of the US, so much so that Colt actually had been trying to buy the company for years. They simply could not manufacture a barrel that was as good as we could make here. Eventually big brother won out, and the company is now called Colt Canada. So all the naysayers or people unsure of whether or not Canadian made products can compete on the shooting competition circuit, just take a look at where a lot of NATO countries are getting their main battle rifle from......that has to mean something.
 
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