Is This Acceptable For A New STI Spartan

capp325 said:
In theory, that may be true. But in theory, Chinese-made toys shouldn't contain lead and date rape drugs either. In the real world, you get what you pay for.

If the Spartan was manufactured to the same standard of quality as the Trojan, there would be no reason for it to cost 50% less.
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No consumer should expect less standard of quality control regardless of price point. If the name goes on the product so does its standard. Of course there is a REASON for 50% more cost. Place of production, better materials, hand forged/cut/assembled/whatever, upgraded parts, fine tuning/other adjustments. The point is that it's irresponsible and just in bad faith to deliver a faulty product. I don't care about offering a low-priced product, I think it's a great idea and increases brand power and loyalty amongst newer consumers not ready to invest as much into their firearm. However, the simple truth remains: give us the foundation that is associated with your name, give us atleast excellent quality control coming from such a prestigious company.
 
timothydgordon said:
No consumer should expect less standard of quality control regardless of price point. If the name goes on the product so does its standard. Of course there is a REASON for 50% more cost. Place of production, better materials, hand forged/cut/assembled/whatever, upgraded parts, fine tuning/other adjustments. The point is that it's irresponsible and just in bad faith to deliver a faulty product. I don't care about offering a low-priced product, I think it's a great idea and increases brand power and loyalty amongst newer consumers not ready to invest as much into their firearm. However, the simple truth remains: give us the foundation that is associated with your name, give us atleast excellent quality control coming from such a prestigious company.
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The Spartan uses a cast frame with a forged slide and is made in the Philippines.

The Trojan et al, use a forged frame and slide and is made in the US.
 
As listed on the STI web site.


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The heart of the Spartan .45 (what you’re really buying) is the slide-to-frame to barrel fit, and in this area the Spartan delivers, There’s no movement in any of these areas with the gun in battery, either laterally or vertically. STI’s goal with the Spartan was to provide a custom level of slide/frame/barrel fit at a non-custom price. I have never before seen a fit like this on anything but an expensive custom gun, much less a piece in the Spartan’s price range.

By Duane Thomas
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There is no frame rail where that gap is in the frame, so it will not have any effect on slide/frame fit. That said, for $800 I want perfect, so that would be exchanged for a better example.
 
I wouldn't like seeing that gap on one of my 1911's. It doesn't look like it will affect the gun's performance in any way--just cosmetic. Anyhow, if it were my gun I'd be making some inquiries about exchanging it. I don't think you should have any problems dealing with STI.
 
I haven't had a chance to play with the Spartan yet, but considering that it's not a 'real' STI (with cast slide and frames) I think I would rather get a Norinco and spend the rest/$475 on tune-up, better parts and ammo :)
 
Taken from: http://w ww.stiguns.com/USPress/BluePress/May07/Spartan.html

The Spartan’s slide is made from extruded bar stock; the frame is cast. That last fact does not turn me off the way it may some traditionalists. What would tell the tale was how the Spartan kept that great fit once I put some rounds through it. In my experience, if a 1911 is going to shoot loose, it does so in short order. Even many guns that seem nicely fitted out-of-the-box become rattletraps once you put a hundred rounds through them. On the other hand, if a gun’s still perfectly tight after a hundred rounds, it’s going to be tight for one hell of a long time
 
The problem has been resolved with my STI Spartan and a new one is on the way.

No need to mention the dealer for those who asked as it is not his fault....

In contact with STI they said it would be exchanged as well.

Yes I am picky.

Yes, I expect quality.

Yes, I had to get a S&A Magwell installed in my new one as well because the voices in my head said you have to keep upgrading your guns...... as long as the Mrs does not hear the voices, things will be fine. ;)

Thanks for the comments, interesting to see some people who shared the same, send it back ideas.... and some who did not worry about such things.
 
Here is the first email message form STI.

"Man I’m not sure what happened there. I will say that cosmetic blemish would probably pass QC on this model if I was checking the gun. But alas it is difficult to tell without having the gun in hand. If the gun is still in a new of very slightly used condition I will replace it. If it has been used (say 1000 rounds or more) I am going to have to simply say sorry. Let me know."
Chris Schirmer
STI Customer Service Quality Control

Here is the last email message form STI.

"Yes. Call him and tell them that we are going to do a trade".
Chris Schirmer
STI Customer Service
Quality Control



eh class said:
and again STi looked after the customer,now that's service!
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seatux said:
Here is the first email message form STI.

"Man I’m not sure what happened there. I will say that cosmetic blemish would probably pass QC on this model if I was checking the gun. But alas it is difficult to tell without having the gun in hand. If the gun is still in a new of very slightly used condition I will replace it. If it has been used (say 1000 rounds or more) I am going to have to simply say sorry. Let me know."
Chris Schirmer
STI Customer Service Quality Control

Here is the last email message form STI.

"Yes. Call him and tell them that we are going to do a trade".
Chris Schirmer
STI Customer Service
Quality Control
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So who is replacing your gun - STI itself or its Canadian importer (Freedom Ventures)?
 
I had a real nice STI that fit so well in my hand it was like it was meant to be there.....

I dont think this gap is the way it should be....contact the dealer and see whats up
 
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