is this an ERGO grip?

[jjohnwm]

Is this an ERGO grip? It doesn't have any identifying logo or marks of any kind, but it sure seems to look like the ERGO's I've seen in pics. It's rubber overmolded, has big palm swells on both sides and is the most comfortable grip I have ever used. Haven't owned an AR in something like 30-35 years, but have used it a few times on other firearms. I want a replacement grip for my Sig Cross, have already swapped in the MOE K2XL but this thing is far more comfortable...except it has no beavertail, and I want that too.

If it's an ERGO, I think the ERGO Tactical Deluxe (with beavertail) is what I need to get. Thought I'd ask here first, because frankly I am tired of ordering grips that aren't quite what I wanted.

 

[Winz]

Yes, that is the 'standard' ERGO grip.

 

[I Dont Care About You]

Thos things feel like a weirdly shaped marital aid. Can't bring myself to hold on to it with a full and tight grip.

 

[hollowedpoint]

LOL ^ I think it would be perfect for a m14 build though!

 

[jjohnwm]

Yes, that is the 'standard' ERGO grip.

Thank you, sir.

Thos things feel like a weirdly shaped marital aid. Can't bring myself to hold on to it with a full and tight grip.

I'll take your word for it about the marital aid thing.

I find the substantial palm swell to be extremely comfortable. A buddy of mine hates it, but then he has little girlie hands...

LOL ^ I think it would be perfect for a m14 build though!

Lol, that was the first gun I had this on; a Norc305 In a chassis-type stock. Terrific gun, which I was fortunate enough to part out and sell years before the gummint made me realize how dangerous and foolish it was to own one. The grip has lived on a few different guns since then, and I am now trying to decide if I like it on my Cross without a beavertail.

 

[Winz]

The grip has lived on a few different guns since then, and I am now trying to decide if I like it on my Cross without a beavertail.

Like anything regarding fitment and feel, it is always personal. It may also be influenced by how you typically hold the grip and way one shoots. In the case of the Sig Cross, if for deliberate, controlled precision shot and you like the feel of thumb on the same side (with or without a thumb shelf), a lack of beavertail might not make a difference, other than aesthetics. Conversely, if you primarily shoot with your thumb wrapped around, the lack of a defined wedge at the beavertail might lend to less consistent grip.

Grips are relatively cheap. Try and see what you like.

 

[jjohnwm]

Very true, the choice is altogether a personal one. The more upright angle of Ergo seems to make the lack of a beavertail less noticeable. The K2XL has the beavertail but no palm swell.

And, yes, grips are not that expensive...but when you accumulate a drawerful of them that you don't like...and can't sell them easily because it costs more to ship them than they are worth...

 

[Leg]

Yes, that is the 'standard' ERGO grip.

That appears to be the Flattop Tactical Deluxe and I wouldn’t consider it the “standard” Ergo. The Original is likely what most would associate as the “standard” Ergo. Good grips. This Tactical Deluxe looks like it would be good for a precision rig.

 

[Winz]

That appears to be the Flattop Tactical Deluxe and I wouldn’t consider it the “standard” Ergo. The Original is likely what most would associate as the “standard” Ergo. Good grips. This Tactical Deluxe looks like it would be good for a precision rig.

You are absolutely right and I most definitely misspoke. Honestly, I haven't kept up with the variety of ERGO grip model offerings and my recollection was that there were the "Original (non-palm swell)," "Tactical Deluxe (palm swell)," and "Tactical Deluxe with a palm shelf." And now there are even more models that differ in angle, shape, beavertail or flat.

My comment was more a statement that it was indeed a typical Ergo brand model that fits on an AR-15 type arrangement.

 

[Boomer74]

That appears to be the Flattop Tactical Deluxe and I wouldn’t consider it the “standard” Ergo. The Original is likely what most would associate as the “standard” Ergo. Good grips. This Tactical Deluxe looks like it would be good for a precision rig.

^^^ This... I have the exact grip on my MDT chassis, and yes it fits nicely with no beavertail.

OP wants the "Tactical Deluxe" model, same palm-swell but with the beavertail.

https://www.ergogrips.net/shop/ergo-tactical-deluxe-grip/

Or maybe the Zero-angle Tactical Deluxe ? The cool kids like those "vertical" grips now...

 

[jjohnwm]

^^^ This... I have the exact grip on my MDT chassis, and yes it fits nicely with no beavertail.

OP wants the "Tactical Deluxe" model, same palm-swell but with the beavertail.

https://www.ergogrips.net/shop/ergo-tactical-deluxe-grip/

Or maybe the Zero-angle Tactical Deluxe ? The cool kids like those "vertical" grips now...

You are correct, sir! The more I shoot and handle my rifle with the non-beavertail grip, the more convinced I become that I will like the beavertail version even better.

That "zero angle" version...not so much. I have played with a friend's MDT-chassis-mounted rifle, which had one of the zero-angle grips mounted. It simply doesn't feel natural to me. I dunno, maybe shooting for a number of decades with guns that have angled grips has something to do with it; the fellow who owns the gun has only been shooting for a few years, and he seems to like that grip.

I read somewhere that the zero-angle grips were designed to increase comfort while shooting ultra-short CQB-type rifles, with their abbreviated buttstocks. I can see how that might be true. If it is, why on earth would anyone mount them on long-range, full-size rifles, with adjustable stocks? But that's where you seem to see them used.

Man, the cool kids can be weird...

 

[Winz]

You are correct, sir! The more I shoot and handle my rifle with the non-beavertail grip, the more convinced I become that I will like the beavertail version even better.

That "zero angle" version...not so much. I have played with a friend's MDT-chassis-mounted rifle, which had one of the zero-angle grips mounted. It simply doesn't feel natural to me. I dunno, maybe shooting for a number of decades with guns that have angled grips has something to do with it; the fellow who owns the gun has only been shooting for a few years, and he seems to like that grip.

I read somewhere that the zero-angle grips were designed to increase comfort while shooting ultra-short CQB-type rifles, with their abbreviated buttstocks. I can see how that might be true. If it is, why on earth would anyone mount them on long-range, full-size rifles, with adjustable stocks? But that's where you seem to see them used.

Man, the cool kids can be weird...

Grips (and other things) are always going to be personal preference, which is influenced not only be shooting discipline but also ERGOnomics (pun intended) due to human physiology. In the example you mention, it may in part be due to abbreviated stocks (ie shorter than 'optimal' LOP) but also how squared off the body is in relation to the rifle. The more squared off, the more likely one would probably prefer a lesser/zero angle grip in contrast to a traditional standing position with the body at an angle or completely in line with the rifle. ie The closer your hand is to your body, the more vertical your natural grip will be. Also, the more squared off/perpendicular your hand to your body, the more likely a vertical grip is preferred simply because of wrist angle strain. As one moves the hand across the body at an angle, the more relaxed the wrist such that angled or vertical grip is all personal preference.

Some precision shooters also leave their thumb on the same side, so a beavertail is completely inconsequential.

 

[jjohnwm]

...Some precision shooters also leave their thumb on the same side, so a beavertail is completely inconsequential.

Yeah, I have a couple friends who have been into shooting for a couple of years only; they are both chastising me for wrapping my thumb all the way around a relatively vertical-gripped rifle stock (MDT XRS). They want me to change the way that I have been shooting for nearly 60 years based upon their imagined new-found expertise. I applaud that they are learning new things...but they change their minds about how to do everything on pretty much a weekly basis.

One of the reasons I like the ERGO grip with the pronounced palm swells so much is that the right-side swell fills my palm, while the left-side swell acts as a thumbrest. Taken together, the shape promotes excellent consistency in my grip. To each his own.

I just keep on gripping the grip the same old way. Change? I laughed and laughed...