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There is no such thing as "reckless endangerment" in Canada. "Discharging a firearm with intent" doesnt fit as the intent was not there.
Crown Land is for everyone. Guys on quads could go out and drive around if they want to (licenced and insured). If you can prove they are molesting your hunt....which you cant.
Yup, it's really rude and ignorant and disrespectful, but not illegal.
Not even a mischief for shooting your decoy.
I feel for ya, but you have no case.
Crown Land is for everyone. Guys on quads could go out and drive around if they want to (licenced and insured). If you can prove they are molesting your hunt....which you cant.
Yup, it's really rude and ignorant and disrespectful, but not illegal.
Not even a mischief for shooting your decoy.
I feel for ya, but you have no case.
Do you REALLY think that someone taking a legal responsible shot and missing is without "lawful excuse" or isn't taking "reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons"???
Come on, now you're just #####ing for #####ing's sake Joe.
The guys showed up & SAW & proceeded to IGNORE a hunter, then shot at where he was last seen, KNOWING he was there. THAT is where they fail to have the lawful excuse and are NOT taking safety of other persons into account. It's really that simple. They SHOULD be charged. They DID cross a line both ethically & legally. Missing a deer that you've verified is a deer, where you've looked to where your bullet will land if you miss is not remotely being irresponsible. These guys were irresponsible.
You're 100% right though about the risks of hunting on crown land. And yes, IF one can safely walk up to them to chat & remind them of safe hunting practises, that's the preferred option, as it keeps things polite & simple. BUT at the same time, if they're mistaking a decoy for a deer, who's to say they won't assume ANY movement is also deer & start shooting at movement? At that point, it DOES make sense to call in the CO or the cops. As much as we all wish they weren't necessary, sometimes dough-heads get out in the bush & need to be stopped before they kill someone.
As for the harden up bit... How hard does one have to be before those large calibre bullets the fidiots are shooting at you, bounce off a person there hon?
Leslea
Originally Posted by buklwinner
86. (1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships, transports or stores a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.
Sounds like they broke the law to me.
Come on, now you're just #####ing for #####ing's sake Joe.
The guys showed up & SAW & proceeded to IGNORE a hunter, then shot at where he was last seen, KNOWING he was there. THAT is where they fail to have the lawful excuse and are NOT taking safety of other persons into account. It's really that simple. They SHOULD be charged. They DID cross a line both ethically & legally. Missing a deer that you've verified is a deer, where you've looked to where your bullet will land if you miss is not remotely being irresponsible. These guys were irresponsible.
You're 100% right though about the risks of hunting on crown land. And yes, IF one can safely walk up to them to chat & remind them of safe hunting practises, that's the preferred option, as it keeps things polite & simple. BUT at the same time, if they're mistaking a decoy for a deer, who's to say they won't assume ANY movement is also deer & start shooting at movement? At that point, it DOES make sense to call in the CO or the cops. As much as we all wish they weren't necessary, sometimes dough-heads get out in the bush & need to be stopped before they kill someone.
As for the harden up bit... How hard does one have to be before those large calibre bullets the fidiots are shooting at you, bounce off a person there hon?
Leslea
Originally Posted by buklwinner
86. (1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships, transports or stores a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.
Sounds like they broke the law to me.
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Hi All,
Thanks a lot for all of your posts. It seemed to me like their behaviour would not be condoned but since I am new to the sport I may have been violating protocol and not even known it.
A few points:
- The decoy.... some lessons are learned the hard way. Thankfully not too hard
- We were in Malborough forest. In the clearing beside the lake.
- I am now a firm believer in blaze orange and was thanking god I was wearing it when I went out to get the decoy.
- here is a pic of the decoy afterward. I dont know who did the shooting if it was one guy or more than one but they were piss poor shots. It must have been around 4-5 shots. Only one was on target and it went in close to the middle of the thigh and came out the back of the other. My guess is they would have a long walk ahead of them, assuming they actually tracked it after.
Thanks a lot for all of your posts. It seemed to me like their behaviour would not be condoned but since I am new to the sport I may have been violating protocol and not even known it.
A few points:
- The decoy.... some lessons are learned the hard way. Thankfully not too hard
- We were in Malborough forest. In the clearing beside the lake.
- I am now a firm believer in blaze orange and was thanking god I was wearing it when I went out to get the decoy.
- here is a pic of the decoy afterward. I dont know who did the shooting if it was one guy or more than one but they were piss poor shots. It must have been around 4-5 shots. Only one was on target and it went in close to the middle of the thigh and came out the back of the other. My guess is they would have a long walk ahead of them, assuming they actually tracked it after.
Perhaps since you were there you could have been a mediator.......
Where does it say that they shot AT him in the original post? Where did it say they even acknowledged his presence?
What he DID say was once they were 25-30 feet in the bush he couldn't see them. And outside of a bullet hole in the decoy, he couldn't even see what they were shooting at. But I'm guessing the decoy, not him. So once again, what should they be charged with?
Who's to say they will?
Please demonstrate the illegal part with facts based on what the original post says. BTW your ethics are yours, not someone elses.
I think I'll stop there. I'm basing my opinion on the information presented in the original post. You, obviously were there and have access to much more information than I. But go ahead. Any time you hear a shot in the woods during hunting season, you make sure you run and tell on someone......
Joe, do you always try to justify stuff like what those guys did? Or try to twist words around to suit what you THINK someone says, rather than what they do say?
Or do you just wake up every morning thinking everyone urinated in your cornflakes?
Just curious.
Oh & I didn't base my post on the original post, but ALL the posts I read in the thread. I wasn't there, but I DO have very high reading comprehension...
Let's see... Guys walk by, guy says "hi" repeatedly. Guys keep going. I doubt they were ALL deaf. Guys shoot at decoy near guy, after seeing guy is there. Hmmm... Doesn't take a genius to see they were shooting without verifying nor with care to others around (hint hint, you shoot at people, or where you've seen people, it's illegal. Last I checked, folks are REQUIRED to be sure the area they're shooting at isn't occupied by people. That requires LOOKING.) But then again, you're working off the info in ONE post. Not all of em. One doesn't need to BE there to see something is amiss.
In the interim, Joe... Take a downer hon. You're coming across as seriously hostile & confrontational. It's not needed. Relax a bit eh.
L
Or do you just wake up every morning thinking everyone urinated in your cornflakes?
Just curious.
Oh & I didn't base my post on the original post, but ALL the posts I read in the thread. I wasn't there, but I DO have very high reading comprehension...
Let's see... Guys walk by, guy says "hi" repeatedly. Guys keep going. I doubt they were ALL deaf. Guys shoot at decoy near guy, after seeing guy is there. Hmmm... Doesn't take a genius to see they were shooting without verifying nor with care to others around (hint hint, you shoot at people, or where you've seen people, it's illegal. Last I checked, folks are REQUIRED to be sure the area they're shooting at isn't occupied by people. That requires LOOKING.) But then again, you're working off the info in ONE post. Not all of em. One doesn't need to BE there to see something is amiss.
In the interim, Joe... Take a downer hon. You're coming across as seriously hostile & confrontational. It's not needed. Relax a bit eh.
L
I had much the same experience a couple years ago. I was in full day-glow orange, but ducked in behind a stump. Some road hunters come into the area and drop a small buck. About then a little doe moves about 5 degrees off the line between the newcomers and me. One of the newcomers brings his rifle up, and I start doing the funky chicken. I had my arms flapping enough to catch air, but the moron still took the shot. I couldn't ####ing believe my eyes. When he MISSED the doe and lowered his rifle, I think he saw me but he sure didn't want to come over and talk. They threw the other deer they dropped into the back of the truck and got out of dodge. Ignorant in the extreme. You'd have thought his buddy would have mentioned the hyperactive, skitzoid orange tenis ball flapping about in the line of fire...dickheads.
