ISSC Rifle... very disappointing!

shooter thats a great room thanks for the pic's!

I have to say I have not fired mine yet but will soon and do some video of it...I have done some research on this gun the good and bad...but to me it comes down to each gun and the hands its in...oh and the ammo!

I look forward to this gun as I did for my mp15-22 or my 10-22's

one thing I have always done with any new gun is take it apart, clean and lube it...also take screws out and use a blue med level loc tight on them.

just my 2 cents
 
Ballox said:
North Sylva's response to my MK22 concerns due to the overwhelming bad press this rifle is getting.................








Who's actually enjoying their MK22 ....Anybody?
Would be nice to hear from someone that's actually happy with their purchase !
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I've had no issues so far. No stoppages with CCI blazers, and remington golden bullets so far. Based on what I've read, I'll stick with CCI. I'm really happy with this gun!
 
j_san said:
SO I went to the range this afternoon/evening.
I am happy to announce that Im the glad owner of an ISSC Mk22 (i call it my mini-scar)
I slowly fired about 30 rounds to warm up the barrel and function test the action.
after that was done (all of which using 4 different types of ammo)
I shot at 25yrds, seated with a rest. (no I dont have pics) I grouped 5rounds within 1"-1.25" with the Rem. thunderbolt being the worst performing.

As far as the rest of the time went I plinked at 50 and 100yrds and hit the paper. Its not much of a tack driver, but as far as being tacticool its quite legit. I can hit what I aim for standing or seated with a rest. Its tricky to get use to the iron sights. I will probably swap out the stock ones for another set, but keep irons on the rifle. I ran a mini torture test and also grabbed a mixed bag (25rnds) of the dirtiest, oldest, most haggard looking .22LRs I could find and ran them through the Mk22 rapid firing..more on that later.
Results are as follows:
CCI Blaser-Zero Stoppages, FTFs, FTE, Jams, and groups well. I grouped the best with Blasers.
Rem-subsonics-Zero Stoppages, FTFs, FTE, Jams. It groups sparsely but its within 2"
Rem-thunderbolt-One complete stoppage (was a real #####, this round would not eject or fire. pried it out with a knife. 2 Jams that fired and ejected, 2 FTE...that box of 500 doesnt look like such a great deal after all. I have had problems with this in my 597VTR as well. I will never buy thunderbolt again.
Rem-Viper-cycled the best. Zero Stoppages, FTFs, FTE, Jams, and groups well.

So that nasty bit of a torture test. I had all random ammo, some was winchester, others were remington yellowjackets, CCIs, and all of these rounds were rolling around in a tool box for many years. I wiped them off a little and filled a mag. every 6th round or so I had some kind of FTF or jam. I racked the bolt hard (sometimes more than once) and the round usually cleared. THe biggest and most overlooked problem I encountered was that the mags are finicky. I would suggest regular cleaning and a light oiling after each use.
Hope this is useful to someone.
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Thanks for that! My results almost exactly replicate yours. The thunderbolts were junk
 
Nice to hear positive news about this gun finally.:)

Anybody got any pics of theirs all pimped up with scopes and stuff ?
 
Nicee room!!! i noticed you have a Glock with a Roni G-1 stock, i have been looking for one, where can i get it in Canada?
thanks, and again nice room!!!
 
Perforator said:
Possibly grumpy yes.
Uncomfortable with the direction I see firearms heading. The more tactical it gets the more alienated WE get from the voting public. The easier it gets for the RCMP to regulate.
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dont confuse tactical with modern..if you are.

There are good quality modern guns out there that are "tactical" and they should not be subject to rcmp persecution simply because the ignorant masses see too many movies and then listen to CBC suggesting that we can still legally own FA military assault weapons.....
 
mcannock said:
Nicee room!!! i noticed you have a Glock with a Roni G-1 stock, i have been looking for one, where can i get it in Canada?
thanks, and again nice room!!!
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Thanks. A Roni may be hard to come by new. I bought the last one Questar had and they no longer deal with EMA tactical (now Command Arms).

Keep a close eye on the EE and you may be able to snap one up. Won't be mine though, I love mine.
 
So tonight, 200 rounds through it between shooting the Roni.

Ran it hard, 2 mags rapid fire back to back. One fte. That was the only failure.

My observations.
-accurate
-built well
-goes bang pretty darn reliably
-looks cool
-inexpensive
-non restricted

What more could a guy ask for? Okay a real Scar!

Still love my M&P22 but this thing is a great little unit.
 
First impression with mine. Solid and well manufactured. Love the look.

I took mine to the range Sunday and fired about 400 rounds of various types of ammo through it.

CCI Blazer about 200 rds with 1 failure to feed, probably because the mag was not quite seated properly.

Winchester High Velocity Bulk. About 100 rds with 1 failure to fire. Probably the ammo.

Federal Bulk. About 50 rds, no problem.

Remington Subsonic. I was shocked as I did not expect it to cycle reliably but it did. Ate two mags worth with no issue.

Overall I am pleased and everyone who was with me wants one.

So far so good.
 
I watched the video a couple times. Here's what i think happens.

The first 2 shots go without a problem. On the third shot, The bullet shoots (as you can hear the third detonation) but theres an FTE. You can see the empty brass staying stuck in the ejection port.

Somehow, it seems he was able to detonate the next round even with the brass stuck between the bolt and the ejection port (pretty sure i can make out his finger pulling the trigger on the fourth shot). The gases produced sent the empty brass flying out at high speed to the side (you can see its the actual brass being shot out the ejection port in the slow motion, clearly not the bullet).

If i'm correct about this, there might indeed be something going on with the gun, as the pin should normally not detonate the next round if the bolt is not fully closed.

I'd be interested in getting other people's opinion on this.

Edit : heres what it says in the youtube description of the video (looks like my diagnosis matches) :

While shooting the second magazine through the new ISSC MSR MK22 Rifle we experienced a jam and then the next round went off after the trigger was pulled while the bolt was still open. This is our first experience with ISSC products and we are a bit concerned on how safe these rifles are. This rifle was purchased for NRA Basic Rifle Courses but until hearing back from the manufacturer this one will be on the shelf.
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I just put 100 rounds of mini mag through mine with not one issue. The first mag I took it easy with and the next 4 I pulled the trigger as fast as I could with not one problem, I should have more time with it tomorrow.I know it's early but so far I love this gun.
 
I pre ordered one of these a month ago and noticed them on the Frontier web site. Called them up last Wednesday and it landed yesterday. I took it to the range after work and tried it out. I had a few stovepipes in the first 2 mags. No surprise for a new rifle but found the sights not to my liking. Front post wobbles and the rear needs coaxing to lock upright. I had a spare set of magpuls kicking around so problem solved. Checked out youtube and stripped it down and tightened everything up. Things were pretty snug anyway. Went back to the range for lunch (great place for dining) and found that after sighting in I could keep 1-2" groups at 50 yd and no stoppages whatsoever in about 200 rounds. I couldn't be more pleased. Well worth the money and Frontier have a few left. They're black too.
 
sewktbk said:
I watched the video a couple times. Here's what i think happens.

The first 2 shots go without a problem. On the third shot, The bullet shoots (as you can hear the third detonation) but theres an FTE. You can see the empty brass staying stuck in the ejection port.
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Agreed... I think the bolt must either have a controlled round feed (the little .22lr rim is being contained by the extractor - ala Glock, etc.) or, the spent brass is applying enough resistance to keep the unfired cartridge nice and tight up against the bolt face. So......... the shooter pull the trigger and the cartridge is able to detonate while partially outside of the chamber.

Dear God!! :eek:

It's almost as if it is intended to do this. There's basically a chance these are going to do launch a brass projectile sideways everytime/anytime the brass doesn't fully clear the ejection port; since these are .22's that means quite often.

Terrible. I definitely see a recall coming.
 
it was said to be a FTE but it still allowed the next round to chamber and fire, no firearm should allow that!, definetly renagging my order of this one
 
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