Issf Wankers

doc25 said:
It seems that only round targets are acceptable. Trap/skeet, bullseye. Maybe we need to get away from the classic target and use a round target that looks like this "8". A small circle on top of a big one or will that look too much like a snowman?
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How about a zombie target, that would really be training.
 
The important thing to note is that we are not trying to get IPSC in as an Olympic sport, just as a sport recognized by the organization that recognizes all sports (and of that, they pick a few that are worthy of the Olympics...)

IPSC knows shooting is on it's death bed with the Olympics, but being recognized as a sport could help a lot of countries (and if Martin had got in, us too)

As for poo-pooing ISSF - as much as I'd like the revenge, I can't - like Omen said, we've learned all too well that when we don't all stick together as firearms enthusiasts, we get picked off. They disappoint me, but I won't try to screw them over because of it.

Here's IPSC's side of it - from the President.

Our application for membership was denied at the GAISF General Assembly in Seoul, Korea. It was not because we failed to meet the application requirements (we had the best application of all the candidates), but because the GAISF was persuaded by ISSF's protests. ISSF objected to our application on the grounds that we use humanoid targets, that we primarily train police and security guards, that we use only lethal firearms, and that we have no juniors. Therefore, ISSF claimed, we were more like a "training" organization than a sport organization.

It is extremely unfortunate that GAISF accepted ISSF objections without attempting to seek any further information. However, we will continue our efforts by exploring alternative options, including the possibility of appeal through the "Court of Arbitration for Sport" (CAS) in Lausanne Switzerland. As someone once said, "We have only just begun to fight."
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He also had a more candid set of comments about them, but I'll keep them to myself.;)

ISSF is threatened by IPSC, that's the simple truth. They control all of the shooting sports in GAISF. In the past, they said IPSC could come in under their wing, if we made wholesale changes. We said no, so they refuse for us to come in on our own. As pointed out before, which shooting discipline is growing and which one is shrinking?

IPSC's General Assembly is firmly behind Nick on this, and while I've disagreed with a bunch of things the IPSC executive has done in the past, this is something worth achieving.
 
well, the lethal firearms is laughable (especially since the caliber most used in Production (9x19) is perfectly acceptible in the ISU/ISSF CenterFire Pistol competition - are they REALLY claiming that neither .32 nor .38 special are lethal?? What is a lethal firearm anyway, is .22 not one?) as is the bit about training police and security - where did that come from?
 
hungrybeagle said:
Don't suppose you know what kinds of changes they were looking for us to make?
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If I remember right - Abolish the Metric target and anything remotely humanoid, remove movement, and anything scenario based.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
If I remember right - Abolish the Metric target and anything remotely humanoid, remove movement, and anything scenario based.
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That pretty much describes Bullseye shooting!! LOL!!

Ya like that would fly!
 
I am greatly saddened by this.
Although I don't shoot this dicipline, ( I have tried it, it's not me) I am appalled at the reponse.
My father was on the board of the ISU, an IOC committee member, SFC director, etc.
There were a lot of diciplines that he did not participate in, but tought us not to
put down someone else's sport.

Anaimal targets? How aboput RUNNING BOAR??!!:eek:

Cat
 
catnthehatt, running boar is gone. It's now a diamond shaped moving target at 10 metres shot with an air rifle. I've seen video of the 1956 Olympics when they pushed a life size, full colour deer target across the range and shot it with centrefires. back in the day when they were stil relevant.

Funnily enough, the ISSF mob in Australia also promote Action Match, WA1500 (PPC) & Silhouette, so they are selective about what is evil. They won't mention IPSC, officially because we are a different organisation, outside of their control.
 
When I was a teenager, I started out at a range with an air pistol shooting Olympic style as this was a well known sport. It got me interested in shooting but the fact that standing and shooting at a static target does not hold my interest for very long. That is the reason why I didn't really get into the sport. It is a very good basic as you are trying to control your breathing and a good practice (I guess , just like bullseye or PPC ?) to progress to other shooting sports. I still use the breathing excercise in Tactical Rifle.

I would not go out and knock the sports and would welcome anybody that is shooting ISSF to our sport.

Shooting IPSC is a lot of fun though and maybe it was politics that is making them turn against IPSC. I believe that if there are more shooting disciplines in one club and everybody gets together to socialize, the hostility would not be there. There used to be a lot of friction between IDPA and IPSC and since we see a lot of IPSC shooters shooting both sport, that kind of attitude does not even surface in the published media anymore.

Being nice would be the answer. Kicking butt wont.
 
"properly filmed and edited, IPSC can look awesome. But you need to have people that know the sport doing it."

I totally agree. In my job as a Layout artist in the animation industry, I routinely plot, construct, and first pass edit sequences for film...including action sequences. And trust me: with some decent footage of some top flight competitors and a competent editor, IPSC could look absolutely spectacular on film. As good as or better than any other sport venue out there. People actually watch golf for God's sakes! How exciting is that in comparison?
 
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