It is a very sad day in the firearms community.

[Greazyjungle]

If glitches like this are overlooked and don't render the OIC invalid (or at least the parts where there are errors) because they simply are ignored or they say "c'mon, you know what we meant and most people are in favour of it" then we truly are screwed. This is why we need to fund a line by line review by a competent law firm.

It’s not a glitch... As much as we are all pissed about these developments, if you think the government didn’t have its army of lawyers go over everything beforehand then you are just dreaming... our time is better spent on issues/topics that are grounded in reality and stop propagating the inaccurate information - this is how incorrect information takes on a life of its own.

 

[bravo2058]

Very well said.

 

[bogusiii]

It’s not a glitch... As much as we are all pissed about these developments, if you think the government didn’t have its army of lawyers go over everything beforehand then you are just dreaming... our time is better spent on issues/topics that are grounded in reality and stop propagating the inaccurate information - this is how incorrect information takes on a life of its own.

I agree, but if in their haste they made a fatal flaw that would defeat this thing it's worth going after. The government lawyers reviewing this are not firearms experts.

 

[jonythebeast]

Alberta to appoint its own CFO, so whos for Wexit now? Not such a bad idea now is it?

 

[IRUNGUNS]

We spoke with our attorney today, he is one of the best litigation lawyers out there... There is an argument there.... The liberals rewrote that section of the criminal code in 2015. The way they worded it leaves a reasonable doubt, in 117.15 subsection 2 it reads if in the opinion of the governor in council... No where else do they use that wording. Their opinion can be challenged... If that wording wasn't there the only way to overturn this would be a new government. They can not flip a switch and change the law, they have to be able to justify their course of action. They will have to arbitrate and justify their reasoning behind their opinion. That's the crack in the wall. It will go to the supreme Court, given their knowledge or lack their of on firearms it's 50/50.... Better then no chance at all.

We have the full 69 page OIC, their is actually 2 OIC that were done on that day.

We can share it once we figure out how it upload it.

Firearms are “prescribed” by the regulations and the OIC amends the regulations...once amended it falls into the new category - so prescribed by the Gov. In Council (in this case, the cabinet).

All that original edited quote from Sec 84 means is that a firearms can’t be classified in two categories at the same time...

 

[celichi]

A very sad day indeed. This isn't the Canada I grew up in, knew and loved.. within the span of less than 5-years Trudeau's tyrannical Liberal government has completely mangled what semblance of democracy we had left. This last move is beyond the pale, and serves to show our slide to dictatorial socialism is almost complete. I don't feel I'm being the least bit hyperbolic either.. unless something changes politically soon, I don't see us being far behind Venezuela at this point.

I feel the same, a part of me died on May 1 2020. It is disgusting.

My heart bleeds for this country.

 

[L86 All Terrain]

Yup. But what do we do about it? CPC wont launch a non-confidence vote at their best opportunity. They seemingly don't care about this. Writing letters and petitions will help you de-stress but it wont change a flippin' thing. Do we have it in our hearts and guts to not let a Commie Dictator turn us into CCP China? I don't want to see iPhone factories and suicide nets here, not sure about you guys.

 

[Rookiegun]

We need to stop pretending to be lawyers on CGN... Orders in Council have very specific and proscribed uses - in this case to amend regulations of the Firearms Act, but not amend the legislation itself. OIC can’t be used to put and end to an industry or to eliminate charter rights (what you are incorrectly referring to as Miranda rights - thats a US term...) or anything else you’ve listed. Let’s try to keep the debate anchored in the real world...

Another Liberal..

 

[HotelWhiskeyMike]

Sad day indeed.

I never posted before, but this has spurred me.

I’m a service member, have deployed on behalf of this nation, responded to domestic disaster, trained countless numbers of new recruits, moved to places I don’t want to and seen less of my family in the past 8 years than I have my uniform. I signed up for that and it is my choice, my duty. My role as a service member particularly requires me to be proficient in carbine and pistol beyond the majority of the military. I take my job seriously, as those to my left or right, deserve someone who is proficient as well as professional.

Part of being proficient is shooting on my own time. I know I could sit at home and read my kids a story, play Xbox etc. But I signed up for something bigger than me, and as such, you would have found me at the range in the rain today. Nope. I’m doing two-a-day workouts in quarantine. I’m taking hits to my mental health because the nation that trusts me with protecting its highest officials and the nation writ-large, would rather me be less proficient at my job, less able for those to my left and right - only so that individuals without an understanding of firearms, can applaud themselves in rapturous delight at the guise of accomplishing something.

I come from a family of warfighters, and I know how badly this guts me. I can only imagine how deeply it cuts them. Better men and women than me never made it back. I can guarantee, that they would have felt the same scorn as we all do. Imagine being considered responsible enough to protect the govt on operations, but not enough to own a firearm. We took a major loss last week. A loss of weapons and a loss of essential freedoms. Maybe it falls in line as democratic, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t underhanded.

A tragic irony it is, that they just criminalized one who would turn himself inside out for the flag.

Well, at least morale can only go up from here (sarcasm noted I hope).

By the way, I’ve written every Con MP in commons. Very few have provided anything tangible as a response save of Pierre P, Bezan and a couple back benchers.

Out.

 

[SBS_ICEMAN]

This is what I was wondering. The AR is restricted by name in legislation, so wouldn't it require new legislation to change that? The other non restricted;s prohibited by OIC, there isn't much that can be done as the mechanisms were in place via C71.

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The key is the Liberal Government exempted the Aboriginal people from this prohibition for the purpose of hunting. You can't have a double standard, they also don't have the authority in a OIC to take a non Restricted rifle and change that status to prohibited.

 

[ravenzoom]

Sad day indeed.

I never posted before, but this has spurred me.

I’m a service member, have deployed on behalf of this nation, responded to domestic disaster, trained countless numbers of new recruits, moved to places I don’t want to and seen less of my family in the past 8 years than I have my uniform. I signed up for that and it is my choice, my duty. My role as a service member particularly requires me to be proficient in carbine and pistol beyond the majority of the military. I take my job seriously, as those to my left or right, deserve someone who is proficient as well as professional.

Part of being proficient is shooting on my own time. I know I could sit at home and read my kids a story, play Xbox etc. But I signed up for something bigger than me, and as such, you would have found me at the range in the rain today. Nope. I’m doing two-a-day workouts in quarantine. I’m taking hits to my mental health because the nation that trusts me with protecting its highest officials and the nation writ-large, would rather me be less proficient at my job, less able for those to my left and right - only so that individuals without an understanding of firearms, can applaud themselves in rapturous delight at the guise of accomplishing something.

I come from a family of warfighters, and I know how badly this guts me. I can only imagine how deeply it cuts them. Better men and women than me never made it back. I can guarantee, that they would have felt the same scorn as we all do. Imagine being considered responsible enough to protect the govt on operations, but not enough to own a firearm. We took a major loss last week. A loss of weapons and a loss of essential freedoms. Maybe it falls in line as democratic, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t underhanded.

A tragic irony it is, that they just criminalized one who would turn himself inside out for the flag.

Well, at least morale can only go up from here (sarcasm noted I hope).

By the way, I’ve written every Con MP in commons. Very few have provided anything tangible as a response save of Pierre P, Bezan and a couple back benchers.

Out.

Great post.

 

[GUB]

Maybe your Arizona branch can contact their local U.S. senator and file a dispute under NAFTA..WTO
I would encourage everyone to print out the full 69 pages of the OIC
And start highlighting sections

 

[J.Hancock]

I say we all just move to Arizona and be done with it.

 

[Shootin'Shaner]

Another cowardly act by the unhinged minority Liberal government, who was able to ram through changes in firearms legislation in an unprecedented manner.

What is even more absurd is the exemption that was given to the aboriginal people. Seriously, most illegal firearms from the U.S pass through 5 of the reserves located on the U.S/Canadian border.

I know this to be factual as I have had multiple conversations with the RCMP, CBP and CBSA regarding this issue.

Yet the Canadian government gives a pass. Why, is it to ensure the continuation of illegal arms into Canada

Your claims are unfounded and outright derogatory. You’re supposed to be a pillar in our community yet you’re inciting division and racism on this forum.

Here’s my claim... I called the bad guys on those 5 reserves you mentioned and asked them if they knew that MOST of Canada’s illegal firearms come through their reserves, but they told me it wasn’t them it was you. They said IRUNGUNS funds most of the illegal smuggling of firearms into Canada. Doesn’t feel very good to be blamed for something like that does it?

Did you know that smuggling happens even off reserve? Did you know that some of the smuggling that happens on reserve might not even be initiated or funded by natives? Maybe show some real facts before you throw the Natives under the bus.

 

[Lumberjack_Kerouac]

Stand together?

With who?

The people who support the Liberals?

#### them.

The best thing we can do is appeal to the democratic traditions which Liberal or non-Conservative people seem to uphold.
Use socratic method to show that, no matter where they stand on the firearms issue, they're being hypocritical if they support a subversion of democracy.

 

[IRUNGUNS]

We are not throwing anyone or any ethnicity under the bus, its factual and a known problem. if you worked within the confines of export reform and border security you would know its a serious issue. Just like human trafficking and drugs.... wake up.

Bad people come from all walks of life, it doesn't mean everyone is bad.


The IRUNGUNS Team

Your claims are unfounded and outright derogatory. You’re supposed to be a pillar in our community yet you’re inciting division and racism on this forum.

Here’s my claim... I called the bad guys on those 5 reserves you mentioned and asked them if they knew that MOST of Canada’s illegal firearms come through their reserves, but they told me it wasn’t them it was you. They said IRUNGUNS funds most of the illegal smuggling of firearms into Canada. Doesn’t feel very good to be blamed for something like that does it?

Did you know that smuggling happens even off reserve? Did you know that some of the smuggling that happens on reserve might not even be initiated or funded by natives? Maybe show some real facts before you throw the Natives under the bus.

 

[Mittens]

I hope this will finally cause Canadian gun owners to wake up. I hear from shooters every week who say "What do you ever need with a semi-auto?" and it makes me livid. We have been obedient colonials for much too long - the unfortunate by-product of never having to fight for our freedom. (We fought for the freedom of others.)

As a side question, what is the best organization to join in regards to political action? I need to start putting my money where my mouth is.

 

[Mittens]

Your claims are unfounded and outright derogatory. You’re supposed to be a pillar in our community yet you’re inciting division and racism on this forum.

Here’s my claim... I called the bad guys on those 5 reserves you mentioned and asked them if they knew that MOST of Canada’s illegal firearms come through their reserves, but they told me it wasn’t them it was you. They said IRUNGUNS funds most of the illegal smuggling of firearms into Canada. Doesn’t feel very good to be blamed for something like that does it?

Did you know that smuggling happens even off reserve? Did you know that some of the smuggling that happens on reserve might not even be initiated or funded by natives? Maybe show some real facts before you throw the Natives under the bus.

They aren't claims, they are established facts. Everyone is welcome in our community no matter your race or culture, but why should First Nations be immune to criticism? Not every criticism of the reserve system or First Nations people is racism. Give your head a shake.

People should not be criticized for their ethnicity. Neither should they be protected from all criticisms. This garbage has been allowed by Canadians for far too long.

 

[dcee]

They aren't claims, they are established facts. Everyone is welcome in our community no matter your race or culture, but why should First Nations be immune to criticism? Not every criticism of the reserve system or First Nations people is racism. Give your head a shake.

People should not be criticized for their ethnicity. Neither should they be protected from all criticisms. This garbage has been allowed by Canadians for far too long.

Criticism based on fiction is racism. Sorry, but there are no statistics to show that most of the gun smuggling is coming through the reserves. All the talk on this site about how the new regs don't apply to indigenous people is untrue and also bad politics. We should be working with indigenous people to oppose the ban - not trying to scapegoat them.

 

[jonnyboy1014]

Only if you roll over and play dead, and if you do that you might as well move to China. This is more than banning 1500 rifles with the stroke of a pen, this is an attack on democracy in YOUR home country. A supposed Canadian (Trudeau) took away certain rights from you with a pen stroke to show you he can and will do it. He didnt do it to make you or me or anyone safer as there are still plenty of guns out there that are NR, and plenty of other ways evil people can do evil things. This was an outright “#### you” to Canadians from a pretentious pompious little weasel to show you who is boss. I think the word for this is “dictatorship”. I for one want my children to grow up in a democracy and will not sit by as this weasel attempts to destroy it to satisfy his ego.

Well said, I don't bow down to dictators.