It is black and it use AR mag....

[BenL]

...care to share your reasons?

Because the concept of a [ STRIKETHROUGH] single shot[/STRIKETROUGH ] pump-action, cycling .223 rounds, out of an AR mag, using fixed rifle stock / fixed LOP / standard grip design / what looks like a considerable comb drop (think a-la MR-1), no rails whatsoever for accessories (say a light for intervention support and not just look cool - it is a "police" model after all ) seems to me like someone had a hard-on to turn a hunting rifle into a black rifle, but stumbled along the way and came up with the above, which really should have been just that, an idea and not an actual production rifle.

If you can convince me that the combination of the above elements is what a tactical carbine should be, I'd appreciate it because I sure as hell can't figure it out!

Again - it's one more rifle purchased in the hands of another Canadian, Law-Abiding Citizen that just pissed off another Lib, Dipper and all that lies in between

 

[johNTO]

Because the concept of a single shot, pump-action, cycling .223 rounds, out of an AR mag, using fixed rifle stock / fixed LOP / standard grip design / what looks like a considerable comb (think a-la MR-1), no rails whatsoever for accessories (say a light for intervention support and not just look cool - it is a "police" model after all ) seems to me like someone had a hard-on to turn a hunting rifle into a black rifle, but stumbled along the way and came up with the above, which really should have been just that, an idea and not an actual production rifle.

If you can convince me that the combination of the above elements is what a tactical carbine should be, I'd appreciate it because I sure as hell can't figure it out!

Again - it's one more rifle purchased in the hands of another Canadian, Law-Abiding Citizen that just pissed off another Lib, Dipper and all that lies in between

Sounds like good reasons to me. I don't know why the 7615P is considered a "Tactical" rifle and probably why many of the LEO's got rid of them...and why the average civilian don't want them(just not cool enough).

 

[pageophile]

Love mine, empties the 10 round LAR-15 mags plenty quick and it's pretty handy weight/length wise.

Get Dlask to make a new barrel and it's truly awesome at just over legal length with a fully collapsed stock.

 

[caramel]

I always was drawned to kind of ugly rifles (read, MR-1, 7615P, Nemesis, S-2000) and so on, i never put a lot of importance on the look, a Corvette is nice but, i would not owe one if it was not dead fast, same for motorcycle or rifle, performance first... the rest... Bof, i say... JP.

 

[BenL]

Actually out of that list the only one that I really like the look of its your Nemesis; nothin' wrong there IMO, in both function AND looks.

 

[VanIsler]

Because the concept of a single shot, pump-action, cycling .223 rounds, out of an AR mag, using fixed rifle stock / fixed LOP / standard grip design / what looks like a considerable comb drop (think a-la MR-1), no rails whatsoever for accessories (say a light for intervention support and not just look cool - it is a "police" model after all ) seems to me like someone had a hard-on to turn a hunting rifle into a black rifle, but stumbled along the way and came up with the above, which really should have been just that, an idea and not an actual production rifle.

If you can convince me that the combination of the above elements is what a tactical carbine should be, I'd appreciate it because I sure as hell can't figure it out!

Again - it's one more rifle purchased in the hands of another Canadian, Law-Abiding Citizen that just pissed off another Lib, Dipper and all that lies in between

Single shot?!?!?! I didn't know you could buy ONE round AR mags...do they come pinned or are they really short?

 

[TV-PressPass]

Single shot?!?!?! I didn't know you could buy ONE round AR mags...do they come pinned or are they really short?

no, no. He has an auto sear in his C7 of course. He's making fun of all of us with our "single shot" AR-15s, remingtons pumps, and Tavors

 

[johNTO]

Single shot?!?!?! I didn't know you could buy ONE round AR mags...do they come pinned or are they really short?

...of course BenL meant one round at a time unlike the burst/full-auto rifles that are available.
IIRC there was a BNIB 7615P up for sale(in the spring) listed by a Sponsor....but I snoozed on that one.

 

[caramel]

The beauty of a rifle is a .3 MOA group @ 300 metres or for a semi, MOA @ 200 metres... Nothing else matter... JP.

 

[VanIsler]

...of course BenL meant one round at a time unlike the burst/full-auto rifles that are available.
IIRC there was a BNIB 7615P up for sale(in the spring) listed by a Sponsor....but I snoozed on that one.

????

 

[BenL]

Single shot?!?!?! I didn't know you could buy ONE round AR mags...do they come pinned or are they really short?

Single Shot as in per cycling function, as in pump action rifles and shotgun.

 

[BenL]

no, no. He has an auto sear in his C7 of course. He's making fun of all of us with our "single shot" AR-15s, remingtons pumps, and Tavors

Eh?

 

[BenL]

...of course BenL meant one round at a time unlike the burst/full-auto rifles that are available.
IIRC there was a BNIB 7615P up for sale(in the spring) listed by a Sponsor....but I snoozed on that one.

Ok I'm really starting to think that some sort of full-retard kool-aid was served yesterday evening.

Or my sarcasm reader needs new batteries!

 

[TV-PressPass]

Yeah, sarcasm to the max sir. It all comes out of your description of the gun:

Because the concept of a single shot, pump-action, cycling .223 rounds, out of an AR mag,

How can it be single shot and pump action? Is that different from our burst fire semis? Or do you mean break action pump? Because thats even weirder.

Personally I'd love to see a 12(2) status pump gun. I imagine something where racking it once causes the rifle to fire and all the live ammo to spit out of the mag via the ejection port

 

[BenL]

Yeah, sarcasm to the max sir. It all comes out of your description of the gun:



How can it be single shot and pump action? Is that different from our burst fire semis? Or do you mean break action pump? Because thats even weirder.

Personally I'd love to see a 12(2) status pump gun. I imagine something where racking it once causes the rifle to fire and all the live ammo to spit out of the mag via the ejection port

Granted that was a poor way to word it. Chu Frenchie after all !

Put it this way then: a CARBINE, in my humble opinion, should not be cycled with a pump action. This rifle to me comes accross as someone's marketing wetdream that went sour and should have been a stain on the drawing board.

Oh and yes - good on you for being a smartass

 

[johNTO]

From what little I know (and that's a lot)...I believe the 7615P was provided to enforcement officers because the platform and controls closely resembled the 870 SG's that they were probably also toting around in their patrol cars.
Similar controls made it "easier" when switching from SG to rifles or vise versa....more naturally. Probably not a bad thing if/when SHTF. The configuration probably also made it less threatening to the average civi who may see LEO's carrying them.
CARBINE (to me) always meant a short rifle (~14-18"bbl)....and my fav kool-aid flavour is grape but I digress

I'd still like to own one oneday.

 

[BenL]

That may have well been the intended reason behind it - I really don't know If it is, it's a poor solution, at best. There's no substitute to training with the proper tools (there’s a reason why semi-auto actions, be it piston or DI, are so darn popular -> they work when SHTF) and I’d say even more so in that line of work (even though I’m not a LEO or .mil).
A lot of folks will tense up when they see a LEO so I imagine that the less-freighting aspect is valid as well!

 

[lone-wolf]

I don't know, if I was a cop and needed to pull out a long gun - I'd want the person who sees it to #### their pants.

Hell, the RCMP showed up to quiet down our little blockade a few years ago with MP5s & Shields. Can't tell me they weren't trying to intimidate us.

 

[VanIsler]

That may have well been the intended reason behind it - I really don't know If it is, it's a poor solution, at best. There's no substitute to training with the proper tools (there’s a reason why semi-auto actions, be it piston or DI, are so darn popular -> they work when SHTF) and I’d say even more so in that line of work (even though I’m not a LEO or .mil).
A lot of folks will tense up when they see a LEO so I imagine that the less-freighting aspect is valid as well!

First of all the REPEATER was invented in the 1800s, there is no way in hell you can describe them as a single shot. Under your definition almost all machine guns are single shot...only firearms that use multiple barrels at the same time wouldn't.

Second, semi-autos have a much higher chance of jamming. There is a reason it took so long for the revolver to die among LEO. There is also a reason in the CF you train on how to clear the different types of C7 stoppages and they aren't that uncommon. I would never have a semi-auto shotgun over a pump, as I want to make sure the damn thing will cycle each and every time.

Lastly, in this land of bureaucratic draconian laws we are not allowed to have semi-autos with less than an 18.5" barrel and keep it non-restricted. So if you want a compact, uber-reliable firearm that uses AR mags, that you can also shoot anywhere/use as a truck gun, this is one of the best options.

 

[johNTO]

^^^just to add...the 7615P is parkerized, has a 16.5" bbl and an overall length of 37.5" @ 7lbs. I gotta get one