All pigs are the same species, sus scrofa. Both survive Canadian winters just fine as long as they have enough food availability - something not in short supply in Canada.
It is illegal to hunt wild boar in Alberta
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All pigs are the same species, sus scrofa. Both survive Canadian winters just fine as long as they have enough food availability - something not in short supply in Canada.
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Doing a little further research on the subject, I was curious why some authorities consider wild boars to be "hybridizing" with feral members of once domesticated populations if they are considered to be the same species, as I don't commonly hear that terminology used when animals of the same species are breeding with one another. It appears that some authorities consider the domesticated pig to be a subspecies of sus scrofa, and others its own distinct species, sus domesticus. So I suppose in the scientific community it's a bit split still, explains why I thought they were separate, and why some authorities describe them as being different. Personally, with the differences we as humans have made genetically modifying the wild boar through domestication I would fall on the separate species side, but it's probably a good debate on both sides. In the markets here in Saskatchewan at least there always seemed to be a distinction towards what you were raising from a farm economic side, as a moratorium was put in place last year on new "wild boar farms" in this province while to my knowledge no such moritorium was laid on domestic pig farms.
Food availability wise there is no doubt, they have an abundant supply of many sources in this country, both human created and native.
The issue isn't with hunting them alone. The issue is the business hunting them has created in the US and how some states have clear instances of outfitters releasing pigs to maintain a huntable herd to profit from. I think limited hunting is completely fine, but the main effort should be trapping. Shooting a couple pigs out of a herd < catching the whole herd over night...
Not everything is a political, left Vs right, issue.
Subspecies would be a fine term. I wouldn't agree with it being a different species entirely, genetically they're the same thing, we've just bred them to exhibit certain characteristics.
Like dogs. They're still canis lupus, even though we've ####ed with em a lot 25k years is a drop in the bucket when it comes to genetics/speciation.
Like dogs. They're still canis lupus, even though we've ####ed with em a lot 25k years is a drop in the bucket when it comes to genetics/speciation.
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This has happened? Where and when?
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Lots of places, lots of times.
https://www.agweb.com/news/livestock/pork/pigs-dont-fly-feral-hog-spread-man-made-mess
https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ecs2.1844
If you spend a few minutes actually looking for answers instead of assuming everyone else is wrong you might learn something.
But none in Canada? You know, where it actually counts? Your whole argument is based on assumptions?
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On a farm, you will get 8 or 9 show up.
Shoot 2. The rest scatter. A few hours later, they return. Shoot 1 or 2 and the rest scatter. Over 3 days, you have killed them all.
Couple weeks or a month later, there are 4 or 6 back from somewhere else. Same process. Then its months before you see some again. In short, one quarter section had 12-15 pigs. I find the colder the weather the better. You can see the mist near the hay bales where their body heat is. They have a nose like a hockey puck and can burrow in very well.
Shoot 2. The rest scatter. A few hours later, they return. Shoot 1 or 2 and the rest scatter. Over 3 days, you have killed them all.
Couple weeks or a month later, there are 4 or 6 back from somewhere else. Same process. Then its months before you see some again. In short, one quarter section had 12-15 pigs. I find the colder the weather the better. You can see the mist near the hay bales where their body heat is. They have a nose like a hockey puck and can burrow in very well.
Again, I'm disagreeing with a theory. "Peer reviewed science"? Seriously? After the last half decade you trot that out like it means something. I'm not ignoring it, I'm disagreeing with it, because it doesn't fit the facts presented. Peer reviewed. Jesus wept. SMH. - dan
Yes. Unlike you I haven't been brainwashed by the rich to think educated people are the enemy.
Let's turn this around. How about you show me an example of a place in North America that has successfully controlled pigs with hunting.
If it's such an obvious option clearly there's good evidence to support it?
No, just brainwashed by the moment that peer reviewed actually means something anymore. Even for a leftist like you, that's just foolish. - dan
And by your measure, when did peer reviewed stop being meaningful?
They'd eat them, but not in big enough numbers to really matter. Pigs mature fast and put out big litters. You need to kill 60-80% of the population yearly just to keep them in check.
You have already see me say that hunting doesn’t work?
You can’t tell me why it conveniently works on private land, but no way in hell will it work on public land. Other than your assumption that the majority of hunters will want an invasive species on the landscape, and that they will load pigs up by the cattle hauler in order to do so.
In the midst of all of this and lost on you, is the public to private land ratio, particularly in Alberta.
Since you are so keen as to what is happening in other countries… it should be pointed out that the vast majority of hunting in the states with the worst pig problems are.. yup, on private land. It’s the land owners making the money from pig hunting. Not the Joe Public Land Hunter that you so despise.
The hunters that support the feral horse population in Alberta are few and far between. No matter how hard one looks, there doesn’t seem to be an instance of some nefarious hunter loading up horses to spread their population. There is little to no reason to believe this would be any different for pigs.
Is there?
How, exactly, does Joe Public Land Hunter make a single dime from a pig population? How does he even benefit from it?
The answer is he doesn’t.
Who has the potential to benefit the most?
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I'll give it few years after they show up in destructive numbers in Ontario costing farmers a small fortune every year. I bet we see that "peer reviewed" stuff get flipped on it's arse pretty quick..
When every useful idiot started claiming it proved things that it absolutely does not. I'm quite surprised a science guy like you isn't aware of those issues. I suggest you Google them, and have a serious think about that claim. - dan
The peer reviewed stuff that suggests the extirpation of pigs from Norway 1000 years ago was due to habitat loss is going to be flipped on its head by some destruction in Ontario?...
I wouldn't be surprised if the policy changed at some point, clearly the pressure exists even if it's not scientifically backed. But I WILL be absolutely SHOCKED if Ontario manages to control the population with regular hunters while nowhere else seems to be able to.
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