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Hi,i found that rifle in a garage.look Italian made (Terni)carcano,the total lenght is 36 inches,what type of rifle is it,the barrel is very small .260 interior crown.:D
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Ouch, somebody went to town with that black paint on the stock and on the metal.

By the look of it, she looks like a former Model 1891 Carcano long rifle that was cut down to carbine length. I am unsure if this cut down modification was done by the Italians or bubba. She is missing the magazine unless bubba got to that too.

She may still be chambered in 6.5x52 carcano but I would double check with a gun smith.
 
If it doesn't have the groove, then it is liely a TS (Truppe Spezial) (sp?) that was meant for artillery, bicycle, communication troops etc. If you need parts, try Numrich, they have damn near eveything for any rifle.
 
Rear sight is wrong for an M-38 Short rifle or a M-91 Truppi Speciali carbine. Also production for the TS Carbine started in 1897 and this one is dated 1895. Bolt should be bent down, nosecap is wrong and also magazine assembly is missing. In conclusion, I believe it is a cut-down M-91 Infantry rifle as stated above.
 
The DATE is very interesting.

Looks to be a TS-91 conversion from a Fucile 91. Magazine assembly from either will fit. Correct ammo should be 6.5x52MC, feed is from 6-round Mannlicher clips.

Cleaning should not be difficult; it's just amazing what you can accomplish with some paint stripper and a dose of patience. Don't buff the thing; you have no idea what is under that paint.

COULD be a pre-production TS or a test model or a military quickie conversion. They did lot of strange things after Caporetto. I think it rates a good clean-up and then examination by someone who knows more than most of us.

No matter what it turns out to be, it could be fun.
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Looks like a 91/24 which was a conversion of 91 rifles to carbines done 1924-8. Look for a circled 24 to 28 on the barrel flats which this one has. "Il Carcano" Hobbs.
 
Yes, I see the 28, but my documentation shows a bent bolt and different sight on a 91/24 carbine ?

Close-up of the noseguard, numbers on the rearsight and confirmation if the blot is straight or bent are necessary to confirm if the carbine is a 91/24 conversion.
 
My sources show the 91/24 with the long M91 sight which this one has, recalibrated to 1500 metres, and with the conversion date it sure looks like a 91/24
 
Thank for the information,Green mine look like 91/24,i check on the nt and i got that(This little Italian Carcano carbine in 6.5mm started out as a model 1891 long rifle made by Terni in 1917. It was reworked into a carbine by Terni in 1924 as Mussolini's first weapons upgrade.
also the bolt is bend down
 
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Italy makes such beautiful shotguns but their military rifles are useless junk that even looks like junk. Hmm I guess the shotguns actually get used more than once...
 
GRSmeister, you have just proved that you have never worked seriously with Italian military rifles... ANY of them.

The old Vetterli was beautifully made and, considering when it was adopted (1870) it was close to a decade ahead of just about anything else available. It survived the conversion to a magazine rifle (1887) and then the conversion to smallbore/smokeless
(1915). The Swiss Vetterli is still being shot (and lauded) by collectors and BP fans alike, but the Italian rifle had something the Swiss did not: centrefire ammunition..... in 1870!

The Carcano is an immensely tough, lightweight rifle, very accurate if it is fed decent ammunition, handy, quick to get into action. Most of them are everything except pretty and that is because the money was put INSIDE the barrel rather than outside, plus the fact that many of them have been through anything from 2 to 6 wars. A NEW one, or a factory rework, now, that is beautiful.

The successor to the Carcano was supposed to be the semi-auto Armaguerra 39. It may have been a toolmaker's nightmare inside, but it did pass one heck of a test..... and the milling-machine work on the action body is so beautifully done that the top cover (part of the standing receiver: the rifle has 2 receivers) looks like a stamping!

Lotsa guys are very happy with their Beretta and Breda Garands and the BM-59, believe me, was better-finished than any M-14 ever turned out: an absolute work of art, even in the original selective-fire version.

The QUALITY is THERE in Italian military rifles. It just doesn't manifest itself in snazzy woodwork, that's all.
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smellie said:
The DATE is very interesting.

COULD be a pre-production TS or a test model or a military quickie conversion. They did lot of strange things after Caporetto. I think it rates a good clean-up and then examination by someone who knows more than most of us.

No matter what it turns out to be, it could be fun.
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:agree: this coming for a fellow that has probably forgotten more milsurp knowledge than many of us put together will EVER have!!!
 
I didn't think much of Italian military rifles either until I picked up my Vetterli-Vitali that is in 6.5 Carcano. She was quite beat up when I got her but I cleaned her up and came to realize how well made these rifles were for the time. The history just blows my mind too.

She started out as a single shot in 1874, converted to magazine fed sometime in 1887 and then to 6.5 carcano probably in 1916. Perhaps she was involved with the opening shots at Caporetto ? No one can be certain though.

Holding this rifle, I even get the crazy idea of loading 6.5 carcano just to try her out at the range too!

Maybe I got the Carcano bug ? Who knows but I am certainly interested in tracking down a ww1 dated M91 carcano.
 
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