ITAR UBR cross border shipping mishap

Miraclejoe

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Last month I bought a UBR from a guy in the states. I know all about ITAR but never thought about checking if the stock was part of it. I've seen enough for sale around here and other places to think it was just fine.

Now custom confiscated it on the way out and I might as well forget about the money I paid for it, which is really nothing compared with the thought of the shipper going to jail over the whole thing.

Anyone has any thoughts on this?
 
Miraclejoe said:
Last month I bought a UBR from a guy in the states. I know all about ITAR but never thought about checking if the stock was part of it. I've seen enough for sale around here and other places to think it was just fine.

Now custom confiscated it on the way out and I might as well forget about the money I paid for it, which is really nothing compared with the thought of the shipper going to jail over the whole thing.

Anyone has any thoughts on this?
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WOW this sounds like a crappy situation, explain for me (a lament at best) what ITAR is (Some kind of shipping restriction or border thing???) and by UBR do you mean just the Butt stock???
 
Steve Janes said:
WOW this sounds like a crappy situation, explain for me (a lament at best) what ITAR is (Some kind of shipping restriction or border thing???) and by UBR do you mean just the Butt stock???
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According to ITAR (stands for International Traffic in Arms Regulation) is basically a stupid rule where the US is NOT allowed to export hmm.. here's the list that "I" have found out personally as I wanted to get a few parts down south:

Dot Sights (Eotech and Aimpoint)
Anything that has nighvision/thermal amplifications
Scopes
Firearms (of course)
Firearm parts (vertical grips, buttstocks)
Ammo and Magazines

There's without a doubt a few other things I have failed to mention. Now what CAN get across the border

Knives (non switchblade/butterfly)
Scope Mounts
AR rails (I managed to get one by some shipper who labelled the item as "camping tools")
Scope Covers?
 
People let me send a clear message out there, if the item is in the ITAR list, PLEASE be very careful to NOT import that item in even though the shipper doesn't know of the regulation. I personally don't want to hear about some guy/woman who is going to jail for selling minor firearms accessories.

The reason for the rule is not that stupid. I asked a close family friend who told me the regulations are in place because US soldiers had encountered terrorist in foreign countries that had things exported to them by "neighbouring countries" that the US was willing to ship to. Now the US is being paranoid over it and if Canada was in that situation, I think the same regulation "may" happen.

Back on topic, I don't think there is anything you can do about it MiracleJoe, I only hope the stock returns to the seller and you manage to get a refund. I'd rather the stock get confiscated then have agents come knocking on your door or worse, put the unsuspecting seller in a jail cell.
 
EDX2308 said:
According to ITAR (stands for International Traffic in Arms Regulation) is basically a stupid rule where the US is NOT allowed to export hmm.. here's the list that "I" have found out personally as I wanted to get a few parts down south:

Dot Sights (Eotech and Aimpoint)
Anything that has nighvision/thermal amplifications
Scopes
Firearms (of course)
Firearm parts (vertical grips, buttstocks)
Ammo and Magazines

There's without a doubt a few other things I have failed to mention. Now what CAN get across the border

Knives (non switchblade/butterfly)
Scope Mounts
AR rails (I managed to get one by some shipper who labelled the item as "camping tools")
Scope Covers?
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I agree then, I hope this guy in the states doesn't get screwed for sending it. and I mean it does suck you lost money, probably a pretty penny by the looks of that butt stock too. And it is a stupid rule, especially in the case of a butt stock, maybe actual firearms but not items such as this, I hate politics
 
Itar is worse than that
Anything (I mean anything) that the us government uses can find itself on the Itar list. Even items not weapons related.....think computer parts, repair parts for vehicles ( oil filters, belts, hoses.....) and the list goes on

EDX2308 said:
According to ITAR (stands for International Traffic in Arms Regulation) is basically a stupid rule where the US is NOT allowed to export hmm.. here's the list that "I" have found out personally as I wanted to get a few parts down south:

Dot Sights (Eotech and Aimpoint)
Anything that has nighvision/thermal amplifications
Scopes
Firearms (of course)
Firearm parts (vertical grips, buttstocks)
Ammo and Magazines

There's without a doubt a few other things I have failed to mention. Now what CAN get across the border

Knives (non switchblade/butterfly)
Scope Mounts
AR rails (I managed to get one by some shipper who labelled the item as "camping tools")
Scope Covers?
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#### dude, I could care less about being out $175. Putting a decent guy in jail for a mistake like this would weight HEAVILY on my conscience. Even just the thought of the mental anguish he must be under right now makes me feel terrible.
 
There should be no issue at all as Magpul has ness. export permits. These things come into canada every day. Some shmuck at CBSC probably just needed a new stock for his AR.
 
To be clear: The stock was confiscated by US custom and he received a letter stating they were thinking of sending him to jail.

After getting a few more details it looks like nothing will likely come of it, but the guy is holding his breath for a bit.
 
Firearm parts can only be exported by a licenced exporter. Must be a business. If the value is over US$100 at wholesale the licenced exporter must obtain a permit specific to the order. If the part is a major one, barrel, receiver, etc, a permit must be obtained regardless of value.
Folks here routinely report getting this, that, or the other thing across the border without paperwork. All that means is that the export did not get tagged on the US side.
 
EDX2308 said:
I asked a close family friend who told me the regulations are in place because US soldiers had encountered terrorist in foreign countries that had things exported to them by "neighbouring countries" that the US was willing to ship to......
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f:P:

ha: Ya, like the U.S controls all shipping in the World.........
 
I personally don't want to hear about some guy/woman who is going to jail for selling minor firearms accessories.
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Are there any examples of actual people going to jail for shipping a stock?and I'm not talking about major companies getting fines, or gun dealers.
 
Miraclejoe said:
To be clear: The stock was confiscated by US custom and he received a letter stating they were thinking of sending him to jail.

After getting a few more details it looks like nothing will likely come of it, but the guy is holding his breath for a bit.
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Did you get a letter from US Customs? If it was confiscated by US Customs the person that sent the package gets one plus the person it's going to is sent one as well. In the letter it will state why it was confiscated and what you want to do. You could either proceed with court case or surrender it. After a couple of months they will send you another letter.

If you didn't get a letter from US Customs the guy is full of ####.
 
You can abandon the item without going to court in the case of something like this.

RR is correct both shipper and shipee with receive a copy of the letter.
 
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