Seen a few of them. Some from very light use and some for being stored in too hot of an environment.
It's Not Just Eotechs.
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Seen a few of them. Some from very light use and some for being stored in too hot of an environment.
Greenhorse six
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Could some of that be from poor QC , not so much a design flaw ?
That's like saying I bought a Dodge truck back in 1982 and the thing was a POS, so all the new Dodges are POS too.
Poor something either way. Have they fixed it, I dont know. But I have enough personal/professional experience with Eotechs that I would not spend my personal money on them.
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Do the research, eotech was sued both by the US government and privately and admitted that all sights from 2007-2016 were effected.. That means all sights were/are defective.. their own buy back program (refund program) included all models and didn't require proof of purchase. Some folks came out ahead.
That's a lot of crap wrong with them. Is there proof Eotech fixed the issues for their 2017+ line?
Interesting how they can stay in business after lawsuit+refund and Remington is drowning. Maybe just because of the sheer volume of Eotechs out there.
It does.
And derailing a thread on purpose violates two rules under the CGN Terms of Use.
84wh1
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The problems with Eotech sights were fixed. Those sights manufactured after Oct 2016 are good. Some kidds will still complain about them regardless. Read the FAQ section on eotechs website
Exactly. Kiddx just doesn't stop..lol.
Eotech issues were primarily with there lesser commercial lines anyways.
Either way they were always very good for durability and have improved over the years. So who cares, plus remember there technology they use is much newer than say Aimpoint.
Ya ya, You don't like Eotech's...... We get it!
I just bought another one just cause I like them. It's a FDE 7moa MRDS for my Elcan. Next on the list is a 552. They have never done me wrong. Guess what? I was shooting yesterday outdoors in -35 with no issues, held zero perfectly from when I shot it this summer. I blew through too much ammo though. For myself there is a big difference in affected vs defective and I think you are blowing smoke bud! None of us are on snowmobile patrol in the arctic and the next week the sandbox. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and like a campassing jahovas whitness you are trying to cram your opinion in here over and over "which most see as stupid" As the thread said "it's not just Eotech's"
mebiuspower
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As mentioned by 84wh1, all the mentioned issues have been fixed since Oct 2016. You can tell even the plastic housing is different on the new ones.
The moisture incursion issue has apparently been solved even though Eotech still only lists their sights as "water resistant" and only to 33 feet. Aimpoint advertises 150 feet with the word "submersible".(think about SOF units deploying from a submarine with their cool kit, I bet they're close to if not more than 33 feet below the surface.)
They still do not have consistent click value adjustments as Eotech lists them as "approximately 0.5 MOA/click"
Eotech still admits to thermal drift in all of their sights, even new ones. They proclaim post 2016 sights have an average shift of 1.4-1.8 MOA but also indicate that "a particular sight has the potential to shift a maximum of approximately 3.5 MOA at -4°F and 122°F." Oh and older sights, that means ALL OF THEM will: "Sights manufactured prior to October 2016 have the potential to shift approximately +/- 5 MOA at -40°F and 122°F."
But wait.. There's more!!
"Due to thermal drift, sights may not return to zero. The sights have the potential of approximately a +/- 2 MOA zero shift upon return to ambient (73°F) after being exposed to any temperature between -40°F and 122°F."
Parallax issue? Not fixed(to be fair all optics experience some amount of parallax, Eotech experiences a ##### ton)
"the parallax error might be up to 4±3 MOA (or a total of 14 MOA across the viewing window)..."
Battery life? Still a pathetic 600 hours compared to 50,000-80,000 hours for an Aimpoint or Trijicon.
Eotech has removed the claims of "parallax free" and they no longer list an operating temp range for their sights.... Think about that.
Remember Eotech is a division of L3 communications, which posted revenues in 2016 of $10.51 BILLION(USD) dollars. They aint hurting for money.
http://www.eotechinc.com/hws-service-and-support/faq
Read above, the problems were not fixed and they still remain today in their "new" sights. The FAQ section is where all my quotes came from..
Again, the issues did not effect their "lesser commercial line" as they don't have one. The issues effected ALL EOTECH SIGHTS FROM 2007-2016.
Their durability has not improved. If it had there wouldn't have been two large lawsuits and millions of dollars in refunds issued. The list of departments and units dumping their Eotech sights grows daily. That would be a clue. The technology Eotech uses is a laser vs an LED and who gives two sh*ts what is used to project the dot? As it stands Aimpoint is the leading maker and they don't have a laundry list of problems with their sights. New isn't always better.
Not my opinion, FACT. Check my quotes and link and read for yourself. Your sample size of one means absolutely nothing. It also wreaks of the arrogant belief that you somehow know more about the sights than Eotech, the FBI lab, NSW Crane or even our own Canadian military's lab guys... Take a guess who's opinons and data has more validity??
The thread was discussing the common knowledge(for those with a room temp IQ or higher) that ALL optical sights suffer some amount of parallax. Not thermal drift, parallax. The thermal drift is caused by the differential expansion and contraction of materials when subjected to varying temps. Thermal drift liek that experienced with an Eotech is a result of poor materials and/or craftsmanship.
And AGAIN.... No the issues have not been addressed. I will ask this to anyone in this thread, a simple yes or no answer.
Are you ok purchasing products from a company that lied about their performance and jeopardized the safety of MIL and LE personnel???
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Runningfool
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Does aimpoint still advertise as “parallax free”? Is aimpoint still lying about performance and putting the lives and safety of Leo and mil in jeopardy?
Seriously Kidd x, was your puppy shot in a botched hostage take-down (at minus 20degC) and siu concluded the thermal drift of the officer’s eotech was to blame?
Yup, they're still lying about their product..
https://www.aimpoint.com/support/handling/improve-your-shooting/
Canadian Military did do comprehensive testing KiddX and that test is not available for civilian eyes. Guess what the results were. They are still using Eotech products. Which you can see when fanboys take pictures of our SOFs. So there it is. IT IS...WHAT IT IS ...
As for the rest... nice post but you are deliberately ignoring all obvious facts and reason that does not fit into “burn all Eotech” conclusion.
As for the rest... nice post but you are deliberately ignoring all obvious facts and reason that does not fit into “burn all Eotech” conclusion.
mebiuspower
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Funny the president of Aimpoint admitted to me there's no optic that's parallax free.
KiddX,
Do just copy and paste your posts? It looks real intelligent except for your room temperature IQ spelling and grammatical errors. There is a big difference between affected and defective. I literally went out two days ago with a temp difference of 65 degrees c from the last time I fired it (summer) and my Eotech was bang on (Real Data). Sorry but you are preaching to the wrong people man. This honestly affects like 5% of us (the most hard core guys).Not the general sportsman. My small sample size of 6 eotech's have never cause me wrong. Not one single time but yet I should consider them defective? BS. I'm not pretending to know SF guys and what kit they use like you are! I for one don't care what you think. Until mine screw up I will be a fan. Your Exaggerated opinion is supposed to be the end of it? For all I know you could be a chairsofter turned oil change guy at minutelube that is in real tight with the tier 1 guys and your highly trained in posting links. Have you looked up Arrogant? It means "having or revealing an exaddurated sence of ones own importance or abilities" now who is the one spewing out about who he knows and what "They use". For REAL though....everybody still used them. Why you ask? Because they still work. I will most likely never go 66ft underwater with any of my firearms so who are we kidding. Honestly you should take a trip over to the army forums and share your wealth of Eotech hate with the people mostly affected by it!
Do just copy and paste your posts? It looks real intelligent except for your room temperature IQ spelling and grammatical errors. There is a big difference between affected and defective. I literally went out two days ago with a temp difference of 65 degrees c from the last time I fired it (summer) and my Eotech was bang on (Real Data). Sorry but you are preaching to the wrong people man. This honestly affects like 5% of us (the most hard core guys).Not the general sportsman. My small sample size of 6 eotech's have never cause me wrong. Not one single time but yet I should consider them defective? BS. I'm not pretending to know SF guys and what kit they use like you are! I for one don't care what you think. Until mine screw up I will be a fan. Your Exaggerated opinion is supposed to be the end of it? For all I know you could be a chairsofter turned oil change guy at minutelube that is in real tight with the tier 1 guys and your highly trained in posting links. Have you looked up Arrogant? It means "having or revealing an exaddurated sence of ones own importance or abilities" now who is the one spewing out about who he knows and what "They use". For REAL though....everybody still used them. Why you ask? Because they still work. I will most likely never go 66ft underwater with any of my firearms so who are we kidding. Honestly you should take a trip over to the army forums and share your wealth of Eotech hate with the people mostly affected by it!
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Gunnerlove
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I thought the evaluation determined EOs make a decent wheel chock for garden tractors.
Carbon fiber barrels don't work yet, lancer makes the best plastic mag, the OS3 is the best general issue optic on the market.
I kind of like "nano" type technology. Why have such a big sight (the new EO's are smaller...but still chunky) when you can have a very small Aimpoint or Trijicon MRO that is so much smaller and lighter. Still projects an aiming point and get's it done in such a smaller lighter package.
Rich
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From what I understand, and from some testing that was posted on P&S, I thought that although eotechs had thermal drift and old battery issues, I thought their parallax error was minimal. The data showed Eotech clearly winning across the board parallax, Aimpoints in the middle, and the Triji MRO as the worst (the MRO is incredibly noticeable).
All sights shift. Real issues with the optics are IMO battery life, and, well that's it really.
Advantages of the Eotech include arguably the fastest and finest reticle in a collimator, minus some of the new etched offerings via HS / PA, and unparalleled NV performance.
Besides, red dots are lameo, 2018 should be the year of the LPVO, I'm planning on getting a nightforce 1-8, or the new Razor E ver. Vortex 1-6.
All sights shift. Real issues with the optics are IMO battery life, and, well that's it really.
Advantages of the Eotech include arguably the fastest and finest reticle in a collimator, minus some of the new etched offerings via HS / PA, and unparalleled NV performance.
Besides, red dots are lameo, 2018 should be the year of the LPVO, I'm planning on getting a nightforce 1-8, or the new Razor E ver. Vortex 1-6.
