Ive got some questions about antique pistols!

rboomsma said:
Morning Dingus

I prefer to play it safe. Because if a anitque has been modified from its original
production. By machining it to fire a commercial round I would prefer to stay away from it even if the round is not on the list.

Do the RCMP letters actually state it now also shoots 45 acp?
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Yes they do state the (modern) caliber the gun has been converted to. IF the caliber is NOT ON THE LIST you are good to go.
 
rboomsma said:
Morning Dingus

I prefer to play it safe. Because if a anitque has been modified from its original
production. By machining it to fire a commercial round I would prefer to stay away from it even if the round is not on the list.

Do the RCMP letters actually state it now also shoots 45 acp?
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Playing it safe is one thing. Making up your own interpretation of the law and spreading it around like fact is another.

Get your facts straight, and the rest of what you have to say does not fall into doubt.

Cheers
Trev
 
Let me just say this, the Crown and the courts do just that. They interpret the law at your expense.

If what they guys on cgn say, you can get a letter from the RCMP on a antique that has been modified to shoot other ammo that it was originally not designed for, then no problem. But if you got a gun that has been altered and you don't have the RCMP letter, I would personally stay away from it.


And finding facts on this issue is difficult as I have read through lots of case law and can not find anything on the carrying of antiques. If any one has some case law on this I would love to read it.


trevj said:
Playing it safe is one thing. Making up your own interpretation of the law and spreading it around like fact is another.

Get your facts straight, and the rest of what you have to say does not fall into doubt.

Cheers
Trev
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But if you got a gun that has been altered and you don't have the RCMP letter, I would personally stay away from it.
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You can get letters no problem. You just phone the techs. I personally am not a fan of the letters as they are kept on your file.
 
rboomsma said:
That may be true, but then you can't verify the weapon is an antique and it will be seized, not worth the aggrivation, get the letter and carry it with you.
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pretty obvious you have no real world experience and refuse to believe those of us that do.

I have had quite a few antique revolvers with no RCMP letter and they all came through customs where they are scrutinized by the lawful authorities...why weren't they seized?
I also recently imported a Remington NMA factory cartridge conversion with NO paperwork at all and it came through customs in 2 days...why wasn't it seized?
I have applied for and received an RCMP letter for a S&W 1st model DA that I imported with the letter in the box with the revolver that sat in customs for over 3 weeks.
I have letters of authenticity from certified antique dealers that work just fine.
Personally I don't think the RCMP letter is a must unless maybe I am selling the iron to someone who has no clue and won't accept fact for what it is.
 
rboomsma said:
3. I would buy a S&W 44 russian or a webley 455, you will pay at least close to $2000 but they are solid guns. Make sure the Webley is original and has not had the cylinder shaved to accept 45 acp. As any anitque modified to shoot another round is not legal.
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You've been reading the section referring to MUZZLE LOADERS. The MUZZLE LOADER reference states "not adapted or made to fire a cartridge".

Then it moves on to pistols firing cartridges by listing those exempt.

Why do you think there are so many 45 ACP chambered webleys openly for sale? Why do you think people are constantly rechambering their antiques?




Sorry if I'm coming off as a ####, but to be frank the amount of misinformation in the firearms community is appalling. "I heard that..." or "My cousin says this..." or "My cat thinks that..." are all things I hear right before some massively incorrect piece of misinformation rears its head. In some ways I'm not complaining, because Joe Blow is willing to sell his "illegal prohib converted webley" at 1/10th its value and thinks he's getting the last laugh by selling me a gun that's just going to get confiscated. Karma works in funny ways I guess.
 
You misunderstood, I mean if your in the bush with out that letter it will be seized and most likely you will be arrested. I am not talking about the importing or just owning one.

But by all means go out in the bush with out it. But have a lawyer on stand by.

BrotherRockeye said:
pretty obvious you have no real world experience and refuse to believe those of us that do.

I have had quite a few antique revolvers with no RCMP letter and they all came through customs where they are scrutinized by the lawful authorities...why weren't they seized?
I also recently imported a Remington NMA factory cartridge conversion with NO paperwork at all and it came through customs in 2 days...why wasn't it seized?
I have applied for and received an RCMP letter for a S&W 1st model DA that I imported with the letter in the box with the revolver that sat in customs for over 3 weeks.
I have letters of authenticity from certified antique dealers that work just fine.
Personally I don't think the RCMP letter is a must unless maybe I am selling the iron to someone who has no clue and won't accept fact for what it is.
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The Old old CFC Antique Letters used to list the caliber.
Not anymore.
But you can call them and ask they will tell you 45 ACP webley is AOK they will letter it knowing its converted to 45 ACP.
and there the RCMP now not just CFC ;)
Years ago i used to ask the caliber be put on my letters.
But they dont care anymore so neither do i.

Its very confuseing this Antique caliber thing.

Like this a 1889 WG army that was made before 1898 thats chambered in 455/476 now most can and do chamber and fire a 45 Long colt. there not ALTERED to fit the 45 colt it just happens to fit.. Now you would think well thats not a perscribed antique but it is.
Why because the WG was never factory chambered in 45 long colt but just because it happens to fit that dont matter.
Again explaining this to a CO or Cop in the feild would be intresting to say the least, id prefer to not have that conversation. LOL
But 45 ACP is AOK and so is any caliber not on the list.

But you cant say a gun is now chambered for the 357 magnum because the 38 Sp fits perfect into the 357 chamber. 38 special is on the list but 357 is not.

So its very confuseing i can understand a person being carefull if there even abit worried about ending up in court.
Look at what RCMP / CFC says about the 38 M&H now.... thats something the RCMP Just decided to say no more 38 cal M&H will be lettered Antique because its to close to 38 S&W.
 
I just wonder if we are changing antiques to shoot modern available ammo, how long before the government closes that loop hole. You can see just by reading the ACT on antiques it is largley based on ammuntion that is not available anymore.

I think we are just shooting ourselves in the foot on a good thing by altering antiques. Get into reloading and shoot them as they were meant to be shot.

In any event Dingus is right the antique area is very confusing.



dingus said:
The Old old CFC Antique Letters used to list the caliber.
Not anymore.
But you can call them and ask they will tell you 45 ACP webley is AOK they will letter it knowing its converted to 45 ACP.
and there the RCMP now not just CFC ;)
Years ago i used to ask the caliber be put on my letters.
But they dont care anymore so neither do i.

Its very confuseing this Antique caliber thing.

Like this a 1889 WG army that was made before 1898 thats chambered in 455/476 now most can and do chamber and fire a 45 Long colt. there not ALTERED to fit the 45 colt it just happens to fit.. Now you would think well thats not a perscribed antique but it is.
Why because the WG was never factory chambered in 45 long colt but just because it happens to fit that dont matter.
Again explaining this to a CO or Cop in the feild would be intresting to say the least, id prefer to not have that conversation. LOL
But 45 ACP is AOK and so is any caliber not on the list.

But you cant say a gun is now chambered for the 357 magnum because the 38 Sp fits perfect into the 357 chamber. 38 special is on the list but 357 is not.

So its very confuseing i can understand a person being carefull if there even abit worried about ending up in court.
Look at what RCMP / CFC says about the 38 M&H now.... thats something the RCMP Just decided to say no more 38 cal M&H will be lettered Antique because its to close to 38 S&W.
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lets say a person now has in his hands a 41colt saa , but no antique letter .

who do you phone to get a letter , and do they want to inspect the gun in person ?

now same gun after recieving a antique letter gets a new cylinder and barrel and fires a cartridge not on the " list " , like 455 webley ....;
do you need to phone the same people who issued the antique letter and inform them of the change ?
 
burnt_servo said:
now same gun after recieving a antique letter gets a new cylinder and barrel and fires a cartridge not on the " list " , like 455 webley ....;
do you need to phone the same people who issued the antique letter and inform them of the change ?
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Nope! Why would you rechamber to 455? Why not 44spl? Either way you wouldn't have to tell anyone.
 
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