IVI 40sw.

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Hey there , just got some brass from a police range pick up and amongst the usual winchester and speer i have about 100 cases of this IVI 40sw NT , they have a pretty serious primer crimp on them but they dont appear any different than usual 40 brass ..

Does anyone know anything about this brass , is it military ?
 
IVI does not sell to individuals or retailers.

They don't want to deal with individuals and small quantities. Now if your club was interested in buying a quarter million rounds every year for member use they might be listening.
 
Teapot said:
I thought IVI was a provider of ammunition to the Army and not to civilians or civilian organizations like the police.
I do know that some units in the Army use .40 and whatever else they want.
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Well, IVI isn't really IVI anymore. When we talk about IVI now, we are really talking about General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems - Canada.
They have done great things with simunitions, non-toxic and frangible ammo. The big buyers for now are police and other security and protection agencies, not only within Canada but internationally.
Also, I wouldn't characterize the police or the NRTs as being civilian organizations.
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General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems-Canada Inc. was formed as a result of two purchases: the first, in 1980, Industries Valcartier Inc. (IVI), a small caliber ammunition plant; and the second, in 1986, Canadian Arsenals Ltd. (CAL), a large caliber ammunition facility with two plants. Both IVI and CAL were built during World War II and operated by the Canadian government as crown corporations for many years prior to being sold to the private sector. Since these two acquisitions in the 1980s, there has been considerable streamlining, reorganization and modernization to maintain highly effective ammunition facilities.

In 2001, the company acquired Expro Chemical Products in Valleyfield known now as General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems-Canada Valleyfield Inc. This acquisition has strengthened the company's position as a key member of the ammunition industrial base by providing the knowledge and technology of one of only two extruded propellant manufacturers in North America.
 
I don't see how it can be that realistic of a training round with such a light bullet. Even a 155gr load would have significantly more recoil than a 108gr load.
 
cybershooters said:
I don't see how it can be that realistic of a training round with such a light bullet. Even a 155gr load would have significantly more recoil than a 108gr load.
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I don't know about the .40 (never seen it), but the 9mm is fairly light in recoil and snappy, but it cycles the action like the real deal and shoots close enough to point of aim for normal ball ammo for the ranges it's meant to be used at.
The great thing is that it is frangible and non-toxic, so you can safely use it up close and personal on steel or other hard or firm targets, and not worry about over penetration, ricochets or toxic stuff in confined spaces or places where you have to clean up after yourself.
 
No , none are live , i do have a live round of what you are talking about though, in a winchester case with a plasticy feeling projectile .. its in my collection.

This was all empty cases .. im mostly concerned about these cases compared to regular cases ie federal , winchester etc for reloading , i know some of this brass can be thicker than commercial so i dont want to go playing around with unknown brass for my own safety lol .

Ive seen that simunition stuff too i have a few rounds of that i picked up off the range.
 
I have used the simunition. Hurts like hell getting shot with it in the Winter. Just a change of the C7A2 upper is all that is required.
Not splitting hairs here Shelldrake but the police are civilians. They are definitely not military. They are officials whose job is to uphold laws that our political representatives make on our behalf. Their authority and mandate is civil. They are civilians.
 
Also, I wouldn't characterize the police or the NRTs as being civilian organizations.
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All police "services" in Canada are civillian organizations except for the RCMP police "force". IIRC an RCMP officer can work with the Militia/Reserves of the Armed Forces as a Commisioned Officer instantly. I don't believe other Canadian services can do the same. I guess that explains all the time they waste learning how to drill!:p
 
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