IVI Mil Ammo legal to have and shoot, or not?

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Whats the deal on this? I hear about people shooting IVI brass-cased reloads, I've seen some great (Sold-out) deals on .303 IVI brass.

But what I hear from my military friends is that any IVI brass would be "parts thereof" and illegal to own. And then the complete ammo itself would be as well.

So whats the final answer on this? Say you pick some up at an auction or gun show?


Thanks for your time.
 
It's only illegal to remove from a DND range without authorization. It is commercially available on occasion. But, if you were to come across a can of live ammo at a gun show, etc, and it was pilfered, it could be proven as pilfered using the lot number on the can and you might get hit with charges for possession of it
 
I've found IVI brass at my locale range, because certain subsets of the military also frequent said range. If I happen to be there shortly after they are finished and they opt to leave all their brass laying around then ; "Yoink".
 
If IVI ammunition was viewed by the Government of Canada to be government-only, and thus 'illegal' for private sale, one would expect that the IVI boxed ammunition frequently seen on gun show vendor tables would not exist, having been identified as contraband, removed, and seized by the firearms officers and police officers that police Canadian gun shows.
 
ilikeoldguns said:
Whats the deal on this? I hear about people shooting IVI brass-cased reloads, I've seen some great (Sold-out) deals on .303 IVI brass.

But what I hear from my military friends is that any IVI brass would be "parts thereof" and illegal to own. And then the complete ammo itself would be as well.

So whats the final answer on this? Say you pick some up at an auction or gun show?


Thanks for your time.
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your military friends most likely don't shoot outside of ranges at work. There are the occasional individual who shoots some they kept from work, no it is not legal in that instance. Yes you can occasionally purchase it legally. Hell they sell tons of brass at auction from the Military, not all of that ends up being melted down.
 
RedApe said:
.... Hell they sell tons of brass at auction from the Military, not all of that ends up being melted down.
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From all of the government auctions I have seen, any brass is listed with the specific conditions that it will not be reloaded. Perhaps there is a way around that, perhaps it's reloaded for commercial resale, I've never bought a a few cubic meters of brass before. :D
 
As the post above stated. When I was in the Rangers lots of shooting was done at public ranges. The WO let whoever wanted the used brass to have at it.

Should be lots floating around in .303, the only times I was asked to sign a form stating I wouldn't take any component from the shoots was firing the C7 on a military base.
 
Please show me an example. Every bid i have seen on Gov't auctions has never shown this clause.



honz said:
From all of the government auctions I have seen, any brass is listed with the specific conditions that it will not be reloaded. Perhaps there is a way around that, perhaps it's reloaded for commercial resale, I've never bought a a few cubic meters of brass before. :D
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IVI ammo is not only used by the military. It is also used by some Law Enforcement Orgs. I know someone who at one time was issued replacement ammo when he shot competitively in the Police Pistol club. Some of the ammo was IVI. He shot it at a private club as practice ammo. He retreived the brass for the most part. Anyway, it's just another legitimate use of IVI ammo by a civilian member of a police force.
 
The governement used to sell IVI ammo as surplus, those are taken off the supply system and are ok. Bottom line, dont worry about it.

About ammo cans however, if you still see markings on them they are still property of the crown. Or most likely somebody didnt do his job to remove them.
 
IVI and DA before that, was once issued to the DCRA for competitions. This ammo was written off by the DND, so even the brass did not have to be returned. The DCRA issued the ammo out to each Provincial Rifle Association, that in turn issued it down to the club level. Once the ammo grant from the DND dried up and everyone went to handloads, the issued ammo wasn't used because the handloaded ammo was so much better. Still plenty of DA and IVI floating around.
 
IVI and DA were never that good for competition - much better could be had as far as reloading or else cheap mil surplus from the major ammo retailers. Why anyone would hoard it is anyone's guess.
 
honz said:
From all of the government auctions I have seen, any brass is listed with the specific conditions that it will not be reloaded. Perhaps there is a way around that, perhaps it's reloaded for commercial resale, I've never bought a a few cubic meters of brass before. :D
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That was on the auctions years ago, I haven't seen that conditon lately. At one time there was a condition that it had to be destroyed but not anymore.

Here are the clauses from a current auction:
1. The PURCHASER understands that the assets purchased are identified on Canada's Export Control List (ECL) and are subject to the Export and Import Permits Act. The PURCHASER agrees not to export these assets without first consulting with the Export Controls Division of Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade and Development Canada (DFATD).
2.The PURCHASER acknowledges that it shall be their responsibility to obtain any required permit prior to the export of the assets.
3. The materials listed may contain items of an explosive or flammable nature. The purchaser shall accept full responsibility for damage to property, personal injuries or loss of life that may result from handling or processing, and shall indemnify and save harmless Canada from and against all claims or demands in respect of such injuries or loss.
4. Weight shown is an estimate only. Photos only show a sample portion of actual goods.
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