Iwi carmel

[Negev]

Looks like it's officially released in the USA. Does anyone know if it'll make its way to Canada?

 

[greentips]

I was told they want to keep it low key at SHOT back in Jan, re: Canada

IMHO Bren 2 is a better product.

 

[I Dont Care About You]

All these rifles are starting to look the same.

 

[BigMasterShrek]

Carmel and some nr scars would be a nice change to the monotony

 

[zupermann]

Reminds me of a Beretta ARX 160

I'd buy it if it was availble here, as long as its not a crazy price

 

[greentips]

There are basically 2 variants of a single formula to make a modernized AR18, which is a G36. Everything is basically some sort of G36 in either plastic or aluminum with different styles of charging handle. Be it a SCAR, BREN, ACR, GROT, HK433, B&T..etc etc

 

[Adrenaline101]

I liked the look of the "military" version handguard, looked like a scorpions big brother.
The release version is like they copied B&T's homework.

 

[I Dont Care About You]

The rise of the short stroke piston rifle. The descendents of the middling AR180 and the SKS.

 

[noobte]

#### you *unbullpups your x95*

 

[I Dont Care About You]

The X95 is somewhat a descendent of the AK ... not that makes it any better.

 

[CP 5.3]

Now thats a big hunk of plastic. I'd buy it tho

 

[Negev]

. Anything made by IWI is going to be reliable. I personally liked the odd look of the initial beta of the rifle before they put that MLOK honkin guard it has now.

 

[Negev]

Still any word ? Is anyone going to try to import it?

 

[Painkillers]

Make it in .308, and I'd need one of these in my life.

 

[enefgee]

It's funny to me that the "failure", "economy 3rd world rifle" AR 18 is the pattern of choice for modern rifles.

 

[Painkillers]

It's funny to me that the "failure", "economy 3rd world rifle" AR 18 is the pattern of choice for modern rifles.

Well, it isn't. The pattern choice for modern rifles is the AR15, hands down. We just need to get rid of the ideologue so we can get back into what is the market.

...the Israelis have always done their own thing since they moved on from struck through dirty bird Mausers.

 

[Negev]

The carmel is closer to a cz bren 2 . Short stroke piston.

 

[enefgee]

Well, it isn't. The pattern choice for modern rifles is the AR15, hands down. We just need to get rid of the ideologue so we can get back into what is the market.

...the Israelis have always done their own thing since they moved on from struck through dirty bird Mausers.

The AR 15 is the only direct impingement gas system on the market. It was designed in the 1950's. There are no new gas impingement rifles on the market, just lightly modified AR 15's. The Bren, G36, Carmel, ARX, L85, etc. all use a very slight variation of the AR 18 gas system/carrier design. Strangely, there are more rifles using the long stroke piston system of the AK then there are direct impingement systems. It's odd because DI is lighter has fewer components and is at least as reliable as any of them and you would suspect it would be cheaper and easier to build.

 

[greentips]

because it is tricky in the 1950's to make stainless steel gas tube with small dia inner wall. Also making small bore is harder than making big bore, and only the american had the prowess to do that in addition to forging aluminum back in the 50's and 60's in industrial scale at reasonable cost.

Most arms manufactures are not even thinking about doing aluminum receiver until the 70's - the first one and the only one was styer AUG with a pressured casted AL receiver.

 

[Painkillers]

The AR 15 is the only direct impingement gas system on the market. It was designed in the 1950's. There are no new gas impingement rifles on the market, just lightly modified AR 15's. The Bren, G36, Carmel, ARX, L85, etc. all use a very slight variation of the AR 18 gas system/carrier design. Strangely, there are more rifles using the long stroke piston system of the AK then there are direct impingement systems. It's odd because DI is lighter has fewer components and is at least as reliable as any of them and you would suspect it would be cheaper and easier to build.

Ah, yes. I see what you're saying now. Agreed DI has certainly proven itself, how it hasn't dominated the idea of a FA/Select fire, small arm is beyond my understanding. One would think they would be cheaper to produce based on fewer moving parts alone?