When you have to resort to calling someone names because you disagree with their opinion, says a lot about the type of "man" you are.
IWI CSR18 Carmel non restricted rifle with 18.6” Barrel
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I agree, IWI Carmel is a better modern sporting shooting platform, for sure, the SKS still has it's strength in terms of reliability in cold weather, cheap milsurp ammo, legacy and that it has survived multiple attempts at being banned.
Thanks for sharing your perspective respectfully.
Dude, I prefer the Makasi over this, most of the parts, especially the trigger are AR compatible, so you could put a trigger tech in it as opposed to the IWI where you are stuck with the stock trigger forever until death do you part.
I would have said the same thing to your face, dude, if we were all sitting around talking about this in person. Your assertions were ludicrous. Sometimes people need a smack in the face to stop saying dumb things.
NOW, though, you're FINALLY making some valid points. And not just in response to my post, but others as well. Good job!
- depending on how you define value, a factory SKS could be argued to be a better value.... though at the current price?
- All of the bubba stuff may/can/does increase short-term functionality, but at the cost of reliability. And once you add the cost of the bubba additions, the cost difference is even less.
- "test of time" and "relevance" - fair points. Carmel may or may not stand up over time. Impossible to say, but probably not as well as the SKS, which may well still be around another 80 years from now.
- polymer durability - no reason to think it won't hold up. 40-year-old gen1 Glocks don't seem to be decomposing. And yes, I have university-level chemistry and physics, so I think I grasp what you're saying.
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Not better value. Just cheaper. SKS prices these days don’t really qualify as good value anymore anyway.
There are plenty of polymer parts and stocks that have lasted decades. I’ve got some. The tavors and X95s i owned had round counts well over 10k, some of them pushing over 15k. No polymer issues. A few small parts broke, but I’ve had SKS parts break too.
I’ll agree if you want an end of WW2 era gun the SKS is a good choice. It’s much more limited and less versatile than the Carmel though
For what it's worth, I throw that word around a lot, haha. Your "opinion" was so wildly illogical that I thought you had to be trolling. There are no metrics by which an SKS with a bubba'd on adapter is better than a modern rifle developed and tested by a leading military supplier like IWI. You're obviously fully within your rights to prefer the SKS but an assertion that it is better by any metric other than its ability to remain un-banned (as the ancestral hunting rifle of the natives
) is just a joke. Even the cheap surplus 7.62x39 has dried up so unless you're sitting on crates of the stuff the current non-corrosive stuff is about the same cost as M855
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There really isn't much to explain. An SKS in today's world is between 700 and 900 dollars. A magazine adapter is 200 dollars. You need to now fix the ergonomics of the gun, and you're a smart cookie so you buy the best tactical stock for the SKS (Fab Defense UAS) for 320 dollars. Trigger job on the SKS will realistically cost you another 200 dollars minimum. You now have a $1620 SKS, which weighs several pounds more and uses the worst AR magazine for feeding (frequent stoppages due to feeding issues). Absolutely this is a cheaper, and potentially functional firearm but it is not of the same class as the Carmel. I guarantee you that my Carmel will be more ergonomic, more functional, better fitment then this fancy SKS.
realistically what do you all think is the govt's game here, giving frt for scary black rifles after banning all? to me every semi auto will be on the list so are they just trying to screw us all and the stores by having us order these and then add them in to OIC once we get them all? asking this as someone who spent a fair $ on last rifle and OIC a week after receiving it and never got to range even once....great way for them to hurt retailers and gun owners..
Yes that certainly seems like the game plan. Let the retailers and consumers spend another small fortune on new sporting options then a few weeks/months down the line, they will likely ban these too. Slowly eroding the finances of both the people interested in the sport, and the retailers on which they depend.
Doing the same thing and hoping for a different outcome. When rolling the dice on this thing, what’s the realistic plan exactly?
Hoping to shoot it a couple of times before it gets prohib? Banking on collector value so it becomes an expensive safe queen then? Counting on grandfathering so you can keep using it legally? Or just hoping nobody notices ex-NR ever exists?
And before someone says “wait for the next government” - that seems like is not an option for many years to come.
Seriously, what’s the actual endgame here?
Hoping to shoot it a couple of times before it gets prohib? Banking on collector value so it becomes an expensive safe queen then? Counting on grandfathering so you can keep using it legally? Or just hoping nobody notices ex-NR ever exists?
And before someone says “wait for the next government” - that seems like is not an option for many years to come.
Seriously, what’s the actual endgame here?
My kids, or their kids, may need it at some point to fight a Communist government. I like to plan ahead for future generations.
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Look how badly the Gun grab scheme is going for them?
The more in circulation the better.
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The one the Supreme Court will throw out.
