While we are dreaming, I'd just stick with my FAL.
And all the FAL and HK variants as well, along with the AUG.
There is absolutely no reason for any of those rifles to be restricted, let alone prohibited.
IWI Tavor 7
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While we are dreaming, I'd just stick with my FAL.
And all the FAL and HK variants as well, along with the AUG.
There is absolutely no reason for any of those rifles to be restricted, let alone prohibited.
Did you score a LH bolt? Wasn't sure those were available?
While I don't have a Tavor7, I am loving my X95. One of the first things I changed out was that stupid "cutlas" grip for a proper pistol grip. I found my middle finger would end up behind the trigger with the original grip.
You may need a barrel wrench to swap the charge handle to LH operation. The X95 does.
You may wish to try the Rx Arms Hybrid Grip, which features the best of both worlds. A segregated Trigger Finger area and a Cutlass guard over the remainder of the hand. The latter portion of the Rx Arms Grip allows you to employ the FAB "Podium" Folding Bipod if you so choose, which I find to be useful when plinking from the bench or (presumably) from the prone.
You don’t need an LH bolt for the Tavor 7, it’s really ambidextrous and changes are fast. Check page 55 in the manual, will show how easy it is.
https://iwi.us/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Tavor7-Manual.pdf
I'll have to report back on that aspect Mark. My bipod is inbound and should be here by Monday. I'll likely sight in the following weekend. I'm anticipating 2 or 3 MOA which would replicate what x95 shooters are generally reporting.
I'm to understand the rifling twist rate would perform better with lighter 150 grain projectiles? Idk, how much difference it would make at 100m though, .308 is moving fairy quickly.
Range report!
I took the Tavor 7 out to touch some grass today and overall I'm pleased.
The rifle at question: bear in mind I'm still struggling to get used to the platform and sighted it in for the first time today.
I began at the 50m range, and boresighted the scope in. 1st shots taken were on paper. Promising. I then dialed in the scope a little tighter until I was making fairly consistent 5 shot groups. I then sighted in my 45 degree iron sights, and after a bit of frustration and mucking about I was also making suitable 5 shot groups at 50m...on to the 200m.
I was disappointed to find that the benches at my range are not suitable for properly utilizing the BLK LBL integral bipod. In order to keep rounds from going over the bunker or back stop, shooters have to shoot beneath a large wooden bullet catch barricade. With the bipod at its lowest it is barely able to shoot beneath the barricade and required some yoga poses at the butt stock in order to get a sight picture. Less than ideal, so I folded the bipod (it's very sturdy when deployed and disappears when retracted.) and shot off a wobbly block with only slightly less yoga posing.
I knew going from 50m to 200m wouldn't print to zero like 5.56 does. The 7.62 thirty caliber rounds were on paper but high about 6 inches and oddly left. Some more mucking about with turrets (wait, does up mean the rifle tracts up, or does it mean the reticle just moves up...whole mind fck thing.). Despite my yoga posing, the wind, and the front post of my 45 degree iron sight falling off, I got the rifle to where it was somewhat consistent at 200m on paper then went to my 8" plate. Pleased to report I hit the plate 5/5 effortlessly and offer the below target to what I mean by "consistent".
All in all, this is a 1.5 to 2 moa rifle. I know I can shoot better than this, and I know the rifle can too, but here is what it was today. The scope isn't settled in yet, and neither am I'm not yet comfortable with the platform.
Overall, a soft shooting .308. Really heavy (12.5 lbs). Needs a trigger upgrade, too heavy for precision work. Having said that, man sized targets at 700 or more metres is clearly probable.
I'm aware of reported light strikes on m80 ball ammo...I purchased 100 rds of 147 gn comercial ammo, and 1000 rds of 145 gn m80 ball. All went bang with no noticeable accuracy differences. I also utilized Gandertites barrel seasoning method using "wipe out", and the barrel cleans up, as in, actual clean patches, now. I've never had a barrel clean up like this after firing. Always after dozens of solvent patch run throughs they's still be grey and "fck it, good enough", was always my mindset. Once "seasoned", 6 patches and to my amazement, it's clean!? White patch clean!
I took the Tavor 7 out to touch some grass today and overall I'm pleased.
The rifle at question: bear in mind I'm still struggling to get used to the platform and sighted it in for the first time today.
I began at the 50m range, and boresighted the scope in. 1st shots taken were on paper. Promising. I then dialed in the scope a little tighter until I was making fairly consistent 5 shot groups. I then sighted in my 45 degree iron sights, and after a bit of frustration and mucking about I was also making suitable 5 shot groups at 50m...on to the 200m.
I was disappointed to find that the benches at my range are not suitable for properly utilizing the BLK LBL integral bipod. In order to keep rounds from going over the bunker or back stop, shooters have to shoot beneath a large wooden bullet catch barricade. With the bipod at its lowest it is barely able to shoot beneath the barricade and required some yoga poses at the butt stock in order to get a sight picture. Less than ideal, so I folded the bipod (it's very sturdy when deployed and disappears when retracted.) and shot off a wobbly block with only slightly less yoga posing.
I knew going from 50m to 200m wouldn't print to zero like 5.56 does. The 7.62 thirty caliber rounds were on paper but high about 6 inches and oddly left. Some more mucking about with turrets (wait, does up mean the rifle tracts up, or does it mean the reticle just moves up...whole mind fck thing.). Despite my yoga posing, the wind, and the front post of my 45 degree iron sight falling off, I got the rifle to where it was somewhat consistent at 200m on paper then went to my 8" plate. Pleased to report I hit the plate 5/5 effortlessly and offer the below target to what I mean by "consistent".
All in all, this is a 1.5 to 2 moa rifle. I know I can shoot better than this, and I know the rifle can too, but here is what it was today. The scope isn't settled in yet, and neither am I'm not yet comfortable with the platform.
Overall, a soft shooting .308. Really heavy (12.5 lbs). Needs a trigger upgrade, too heavy for precision work. Having said that, man sized targets at 700 or more metres is clearly probable.
I'm aware of reported light strikes on m80 ball ammo...I purchased 100 rds of 147 gn comercial ammo, and 1000 rds of 145 gn m80 ball. All went bang with no noticeable accuracy differences. I also utilized Gandertites barrel seasoning method using "wipe out", and the barrel cleans up, as in, actual clean patches, now. I've never had a barrel clean up like this after firing. Always after dozens of solvent patch run throughs they's still be grey and "fck it, good enough", was always my mindset. Once "seasoned", 6 patches and to my amazement, it's clean!? White patch clean!
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Thanks for helping bro!! I'm indebted.
The turrets change the point of impact. If the group is to the right, you correct the turret to the left.
What is Ganderite's "barrel seasoning method"?
Turrets...yep. I was in a state of second and third guessing myself at 200m...shake my head. As shown, I got it into an 8" zone though slightly low and to the right. Next range session I'm confident this rifle will at least half that, and most likely more. Once I get comfortable and the scope dialed in for 200m zero it'll put 5 into the white bullseye consistently, I'm certain of it. It was doing that at 50m, so it's replicable at 200m.
Gandertite is a competition shooter (he doesn't know it because of anonymity, but I've shot with him in the past), and it's either his son-in-law, or his blood son that shoots at Bisley, so when he recommended seasoning or prepping the rifling, I listen. Even if I was still sceptical.
His method is to start from a new barrel. Using "wipe out" which is a copper solvent that foams and expands like shaving cream out of can, clean the new barrel. Leave it "soak" for 24 hours. For this step, my rifle was almost horizontal. A slight angle toward the muzzle. I rotated the rifle 180 degrees (flip over to the other side) at 12 hours.
To my surprise, my "new" barrel had the tell tale blue of copper fouling, though very light on cleaning patch. Three tight patches and I was "clean" on the third patch. I then pulled the gas regulator and piston and found carbon. Test rounds from the factory no doubt as it was only slightly sooted.
There is no need to oil the barrel or run a wet patch as "wipe out" advertises that it protects against rust once applied.
Once at the range, fire one round. Wipe out. No brushes, just patches. Once clean, fire two rounds. Wipe out. Then 5 rounds, and Wipe out...once the patch comes clean, the barrel is "seasoned". These intervals are nowhere near 24 hour soaks. More like 10 minutes. After this treatment, I shot the rest of the day (maybe 200 rounds, I wasn't counting). When I got home, I filled the barrel with wipe out and let it sit 24 hours, again flipping it part way through the soak...and six patches this morning, and it was clean! White patch clean!?
I hope he chimes in here, but Gandertite explains that it is much easier to keep a barrel clean than having fouling just build on top of itself for successive rounds fired. I have always thought that with the pressures involved behind a bullet, as well at the forcing of the bullet into the rifling, there's no way anything aside from soot could possibly be left behind. DI gas system thinking, but I was wrong, the old fella and his Bisley experience was correct!
I found that "Wipe Out" was not easy to find for anything under $50 a 5 ounce can shipped and no one near me was stocking it. I found a place out of Quebec that was selling for $25 a can and they weren't killing me on shipping so I ordered 2 cans of it. With all the cleaning I've done, I don't think I'm a quarter of the way through the can. A little goes a long way with it's foaming action.
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I think to attempt to scrub them new would be a mistake. Have to settle for grey patches.
How have you made out with yours? Have you got a range report? Pics?
How have you made out? I found that at home dry firing was quite a bit different when I got to the range. I now believe a trigger pack upgrade would be nice to have.
Still waiting to get the rifle. Felt I should wait until I have it in hand before I splurge on things I THINK I need
