Izhevsk PU Nagant Sniper 1943 (Riflechair Video)
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lejarretnoir
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I have the same Izzy '43 as you have bought from TradeEx with a very good bore also. I believe they all come with the darker shellac on the forearms.
They are as close to having an original 91/30 Sniper we are ever going to see. These are refurbed snipers, not repros.
We are ending an era of WWII surplus guns from original countries. All that will be left will be with collectors.
With surplus ammo my Izzy will group into 2" on a good day, handloads into 1" sometimes on a secure benchrest. These rifles are capable, but have limitations.
IMO, both the 91/30 and .308 NATO Sniper are capable to 600 meters. Beyond that the ammo and conditions affect the outcome greatly. I know this because I've talked with actual combat snipers.
Of course modern rifles are capable of better accuracy, but you are shooting a typical factory model.
They are as close to having an original 91/30 Sniper we are ever going to see. These are refurbed snipers, not repros.
We are ending an era of WWII surplus guns from original countries. All that will be left will be with collectors.
With surplus ammo my Izzy will group into 2" on a good day, handloads into 1" sometimes on a secure benchrest. These rifles are capable, but have limitations.
IMO, both the 91/30 and .308 NATO Sniper are capable to 600 meters. Beyond that the ammo and conditions affect the outcome greatly. I know this because I've talked with actual combat snipers.
Of course modern rifles are capable of better accuracy, but you are shooting a typical factory model.
Well, it was more like 2.5 / 5 hits to be honest.
Shot #1 hit just enough to move the gong
Shots #3 and 5 were dead centre hits
Geez sorry man
I didn't mean to hurt your Tula's feelings. No particular reason why I'm happier to have an Izhevsk. I guess I'm just wierd that way? Personally I think Izhevsk vs Tula is a weird thing to argue or debate about. They are the same rifles built to the same specifications but built by two different arsenals. However from a collectibility perspective Tula factory was much closer to the fighting and actually had production disrupted hence lower production numbers. In terms of accuracy, there is no documented difference historically between the two that I'm aware of? I think it really comes down to personal preference.
Tula snipers are stamped "cn" or "ch" - have a look are yout Tula's so marked?
Izhevsk snipers can be identified by the scope mount serial number stamped on the left side of the barrel just above the wood line. Does anyone have a Tula PU stamped in this fashion? If so then perhaps the Tula's were refurbed in accordance with Izhevsk conventions?
I have also heard of the possibility that many 43 and 44 Tulas were actually made in the Izhevsk arsenal on Tula machines. Tula packed up most of their gear when the Germans were knocking on the door. It gets cloudy and confusing... It would be nice if someone could verify that.
I think these are the right production years for mosin snipers - please correct if I'm getting this wrong.
1942-1948 at Izhevsk
1942-1944 at Tula
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Shot #1 hit just enough to move the gong
Shots #3 and 5 were dead centre hits
Geez sorry man
I didn't mean to hurt your Tula's feelings. No particular reason why I'm happier to have an Izhevsk. I guess I'm just wierd that way? Personally I think Izhevsk vs Tula is a weird thing to argue or debate about. They are the same rifles built to the same specifications but built by two different arsenals. However from a collectibility perspective Tula factory was much closer to the fighting and actually had production disrupted hence lower production numbers. In terms of accuracy, there is no documented difference historically between the two that I'm aware of? I think it really comes down to personal preference.
Tula snipers are stamped "cn" or "ch" - have a look are yout Tula's so marked?
Izhevsk snipers can be identified by the scope mount serial number stamped on the left side of the barrel just above the wood line. Does anyone have a Tula PU stamped in this fashion? If so then perhaps the Tula's were refurbed in accordance with Izhevsk conventions?
I have also heard of the possibility that many 43 and 44 Tulas were actually made in the Izhevsk arsenal on Tula machines. Tula packed up most of their gear when the Germans were knocking on the door. It gets cloudy and confusing... It would be nice if someone could verify that.
I think these are the right production years for mosin snipers - please correct if I'm getting this wrong.
1942-1948 at Izhevsk
1942-1944 at Tula
(Benefactor from Gunboards)
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lejarretnoir
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- 162km from Connaught
45.0grs of Varget and Hornady 174gr .312.
