Izhmash to produce bullpup rifle

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According to The Firearms Blog;

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/04/04/izhmash-produce-bullpup-rifle/

I just hope for our sake that its a new design and not a factory bullpup conversion of the AK-12 or AK-100 series.

No word at this point if there will be any Russian military or security service interest, although their selection of a new service rifle, or rifles, still seems to be very much in the air.
 
870P said:
not a factory bullpup conversion of the AK-12 or AK-100 series.
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Not prohibited as a variant of an AK, no.
 
I seriously doubt that what sounds like a new design will have much to do with a bullpup conversion of an SVD dating back to 1975.

More likely this thing will be either a baseline "family" that will lend itself to being available in a whole bunch of different calibers and configurations like the AK-12, or it's a more specific answer to the recent ADS, ASh-12.7 and Saritch bullpup rifles from KPB Tula.

The mention of a new caliber is interesting too, I just hope it's something really new and optimized and not another case {no pun} of trying to design an improved cartridge around existing magazine and magwell dimensions.
 
870P said:
I seriously doubt that what sounds like a new design will have much to do with a bullpup conversion of an SVD dating back to 1975.

More likely this thing will be either a baseline "family" that will lend itself to being available in a whole bunch of different calibers and configurations like the AK-12, or it's a more specific answer to the recent ADS, ASh-12.7 and Saritch bullpup rifles from KPB Tula.

The mention of a new caliber is interesting too, I just hope it's something really new and optimized and not another case {no pun} of trying to design an improved cartridge around existing magazine and magwell dimensions.
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Love the look of the Saritch and ASh-12.7... Dunno if we will ever see them in Canada (and the Saritch ever mass produced, but you never know)
 
None of these new designs are mass produced at this point, I get the impression that the Russians are considering their options carefully before they commit to any new design at more than the small scale specialist field trial level.

Personally I kind of doubt they'll choose anything more radical than the railed up AK-74Ms they've been showing off, at least for a service wide regular issue weapon, *unless* they also change to a new standard caliber.
 
Ohno said:
Like what I wonder? They have the 22 and 308 cals nailed down. Perhaps a 6 or 6.5mm?
Maybe they talked to Grendel and made a deal LOL.
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I'm guessing its something in the 6mm range, possibly the 6x49mm they were considering years ago, or a necked up variant thereof.

Its mostly conjecture on my part, but the Russians seem to put more of a premium on barrier and armor penetration from their small arms, and with a small relatively low energy round like the 5.45, you don't seem to be able to get much of that without seriously compromising terminal ballistics, raising the cost per round to ridiculous levels, or both.

They also seem to want to replace their ancient 7.62x54 round, which what the 6x49 Unified project was all about.

The 6x49 was a hell of a hot round, intended for MG and DMR use with a muzzle velocity of 3800 fps, if they use something like it in a regular infantry rifle they might NEED to go with a bullpup to give it enough barrel without an excessively long weapon.
 
What do we have here? Something new from the newly named Kalashnikov company;

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mmattockx said:
That's hideous. Got any details/section views/drawings of the action and how it functions? Must be interesting and unusual with that mag sitting so far back in the receiver.


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I don't think anyone outside of Russia actually knows for sure how the thing functions. My understanding is that it uses a vertically travelling bolt and a separate reciprocating extractor to extract and chamber the rounds. Though I'm not entirely certain how ejection works, it's probably a forward ejection design.
 
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