JARD J48 Blow out sale!

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Wow. 20% failure rate. Why is that acceptable ?
jiffx2781 said:
At $500 it is well worth taking the chance that the parts will fix the feeding issue. I bought one of these when they first came out. Thought it would make a nice light accurate beater gun to carry around on the tractors. One I didn't have to care how it got treated. I ran over 100 rounds of Hornady 55gr v-max through it and experienced about a 20% failure rate. Accuracy was excellent with 100 yard 5 shots anywhere from 3/4 - 1 1/2 inches. These rifles are a little crude but if the parts supplied improve reliability they are worth the $500 bucks. Reliability wasn't the main reason I returned mine to them. The safety on mine wouldn't work at all. Put it on safe and pull the trigger hard enough the safety would rotate off and the gun could fire every time. If it was safe I probably wouldn't have returned it to them. If someone isn't scared to do a little tinkering I think they could get one of these running
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Canada tail said:
Wow. 20% failure rate. Why is that acceptable ?
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Wow. Can you please point me to where I said that the 20% failure rate IS acceptable? I just simply stated that I experienced a 20% failure rate. What I did say if you knew how to read is that, with the new parts supplied this gun is worth $500 bucks and that reliability and most importantly safety is why I returned it.
At the original price of $1250 there was no way I was going to accept being stuck with this rifle although I had a good idea I could fix the problems myself. I shouldn't have to be the one to fix a new gun. I will say it again just to be clear, this gun is worth $500 bucks (but no more) and it can be made to work with a bit of tinkering. If the guys at Jard didn't suffer from Premature Rifle Release Syndrome, Wanstalls wouldn't be in the situation they got into with these. I want to thank the great guy at Wanstalls (I forgot his name) for listening to my unhappy rant when I called to voice my dissatisfaction with the gun. He was more than willing to refund me and do anything for me to keep me happy. Top notch professional place to do business. I would have bought one of these for the $500 if my firearm budget wasn't being saved towards something else.
 
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Took it out today, it was a grind to get 150 rounds through it. It may have ran 2-3 5/30 pmags without a malfunction but thats it. Starting with double feeds combined with failures to extract. Then the bolt would get caught about 2/3 into battery. A few times entire cartriges somehow got behind the bolt. We kept at it. Eventually at around 100 rounds it started extracting around 90-95% but would the bolt would not strip a new round into the chamber on the same cycle, essentially turning it into a straight pull. Locking back on an empty mag has been about 50%.

What we noticed. The last round hold open could be interfering with the bolt, needs more looking but the something just doesn't seem right. What we definitely noticed was the two guide rods that the bolt and springs ride on bend relatively easily. We think this is causing the bolt to ride high or low when it strips a round from the magazine into the chamber. Riding high causes the bolt to not strip a round, riding low seems to cause the bolt to get stuck 2/3 into battery.

More tinkering required.

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What we definitely noticed was the two guide rods that the bolt and springs ride on bend relatively easily. We think this is causing the bolt to ride high or low when it strips a round from the magazine into the chamber. Riding high causes the bolt to not strip a round, riding low seems to cause the bolt to get stuck 2/3 into battery.
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Bingo. This is where the tinkering part comes in. The new timing blade will definitely improve reliability but I don't think it will 100% solve the problems, hence the need for some tinkering. The guide rod system is the weak spot in this rifle. The BCG needs to run perfectly straight and consistent or the rifle won't preform consistently
 
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This rifle is pathetic. Made in USA pathetic.
Dantes Inferno said:
Took it out today, it was a grind to get 150 rounds through it. It may have ran 2-3 5/30 pmags without a malfunction but thats it. Starting with double feeds combined with failures to extract. Then the bolt would get caught about 2/3 into battery. A few times entire cartriges somehow got behind the bolt. We kept at it. Eventually at around 100 rounds it started extracting around 90-95% but would the bolt would not strip a new round into the chamber on the same cycle, essentially turning it into a straight pull. Locking back on an empty mag has been about 50%.

What we noticed. The last round hold open could be interfering with the bolt, needs more looking but the something just doesn't seem right. What we definitely noticed was the two guide rods that the bolt and springs ride on bend relatively easily. We think this is causing the bolt to ride high or low when it strips a round from the magazine into the chamber. Riding high causes the bolt to not strip a round, riding low seems to cause the bolt to get stuck 2/3 into battery.

More tinkering required.

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So, what are the comments going to be if the guys replace the parts, and the guns decide to run perfectly. Or even close to perfect. Will the comments change to, "WOW, what an under appreciated rifle. Wish I would have gotten one".

Seems to me that we've been down this road before. I've read the posts on Robinson Arms when they first came out. NEA had (and still seems to have) growing pains. How many SU-16's with broken receivers have we seen reported on here. And yet they are all still around, and people are still buying them.
 
If the replacement parts can do the magic it would be done a long time ago. We both know that there is no fix for this. The retailer was stuck with a lot of these crap and the Americans offered some parts rather than a refund. The Canadian retailers have no choice but to dump it out on local buyers as it is a final sale. Poor situation.
 
For $500 it was worth the gamble for me and my buddy. The op rods are simple and we can probably make stiffer ones in a slightly larger diameter. We can also limit the gas slightly to cause less violence in the BCG. Next if we pretend to be super simple, we can cut spacers to fit inside the reciever for the bolt carrier group to ride against and not give it the option to get off track. Keep it simple.

It did seem accurate, although we did not even bother sighting in the optic.
 
All understood. It can be a project rifle but there are ppl who ordered from the other importer and got screwed hard.
 
Ya we are late to the party, I just saw this post here and have no idea on the history of the gun. If I bought this for $1200 I would be pissed off, hopefully they were compensated.

I thought it was fortunate for Wanstalls to give a few guys a shot at a non-restricted ar style gun for $500 instead of squishing them in a metal break.
 
It is so true. I also wish you can replace/manufacture the weak and out of spec parts involved so that it can run with better success rate.
Best of luck.
 
I had one of the first ones , from Wanstalls.
After a few malfunctions,I contacted Gary,and he immediately offered me a refund.

I had numerous conversations with Dean, From Jard Inc , and he said the rifle was tested ,and was ready for market.

This doesn't appear to be the case.
They shouldn't have left the factory in that condition.

But,for $500 ,and a few hundred in repairs,if possible, you'd have a half decent rifle.
 
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